IRC Conference Transcript:
Carl Sassenrath and Jim Goodnow
IRC Conference Transcript:
Carl Sassenrath and Jim Goodnow
This is a trancript (and it's a long one, too) of an IRC session held on Wednesday, 08-May-96. Among the participants were "vog" (Carl Sassenrath, Director of Software for VIScorp) and "AztecC" (Jim Goodnow, Senior Software Engineer, also of VIScorp). Vog and AztecC amazed the IRC regulars (can that really be the appropriate word?) with their mysterious appearance and bountiful, juicy tidbits which only hungered the crowd for more.
Again, be warned: this baby is long!
-Kevin Hisel
CUCUG
vog | Good Evening. vog = VIScorp OS Guy.
vog | Is there any real topic that anyone wants to discuss?
RexxMast | re Karma
Montage | Sabbath2: First consider how much LW you do then justify
the cost of either
Sabbath2 | Montage: Well, probably right, but I don't have much
choice.
AztecC | re carl!
vog | Hey, is that you Jim?
Sabbath2 | vog: yes
vog | AztecC: Jim?
AztecC | vog: yes!
vog | AC: what you running, the test A1200?
AztecC | vog: nah, mIRC on W95 :(
Frotz | vog: who exactly are you?
vog | AC: do you think Buck and Gilbreath might be on too?
AztecC | vog: would be shocked!
AztecC | Frotz: its Mr. Exec ( should be your handle instead of vog
)
vog | AC: ;)
vog | AC: It's my secret alias.
vog | AC: What was your ping time for me?
AztecC | vog: 9 secs
AztecC | vog: what IRC server are you using?
vog | Frotz: what do you mean?
vog | AC: not bad.
vog | AC: Texas IRC-2
Montage | Sabbath2: No not at all is it a Pro or is it a Pentium
meaning which processor is it?
vog | AC: What about you?
NightSpd | vog: I have one ping (not you) of 9.4 minutes! (Yes the net
is SPLIT.
AztecC | vog: irc.colorado.edu, couldn't get on texas
Holo | no.
vog | AC: I tried that, couldn't get it! So how long you been
on?
Holo | I thought AT was being sold.
RMerlin | Hey caldi!
Sabbath2 | ALL: whats up with AT? Have they got anything accomplished?
NightSpd | Yo caldi!
AztecC | vog: 30 min. or so
vog | AC: Anyone talking about anything related?
RMerlin | Sabbath2: Yes, they restarted production.
Montage | Sabbath2: No a bad price but how much mem are you getting
egress | holo:yeh being sold but head of AT said that viscrop had
hired dave haynie as advisor
nINO | aha
Sabbath2 | RM: any news concerning PowerAmiga?
RMerlin | Sabbath2: None.
RMerlin | To lag, or not to lag...
vog | Frotz: I've got three or four net accounts. Besides, VC is
distributed.
Holo | egress: yea. I heard. I hope they get a lot more old
Amiga engineers on board!
Sabbath2 | montage: 16mems motherboard 2 on video 1gig HD 14" mon 4X
CD all for about $2000
UW_Design | Howdy..
vog | AC: My ping to you was 96 secs.
zygo | Hi everybody!
vog | Holo: me too.
egress | holo:you see any light at the end of this tunnel yet :)
Holo | hey zygo
Sabbath2 | montage: 28.8 voice/data/fax
vog | AC: Not sure how to do that CHAT stuff in AmIRC.
Montage | Sabbath2: Not a bad price but not a great price either
zygo | Hi Holo
zygo | Thanks RMerlin :)
egress | evening zygo
Frotz | vog: cool. so when is there going to be a *US* developer's
conference? I find it very disturbing that there is a
meeting in France to decide the fate of the machine, and NO
meeting here.
caldi | Vog/Aztec: I have a question, to whom should developers
direct business proposals, demos, etc?
AztecC | vog: yikes! serious lag!
zygo | Hi egress
fleer | re sidewind
RMerlin | Frotz: We could organize one? Why not during AC'96 right
here in Montreal? :)
Tweety_ | easy vog, select the name on the right, then hit Query
button and type away...
vog | Frotz: Yes... USA is a good idea. I need to talk to Bill
about that.
vishart | I have arrived.....all rise.....
egress | egress sits
vog | Hammer: Hello Darren.
Holo | kolla dropped in from the sky. Then was gone!
kolla | and droped in once more :)
vog | Tweety: Thanks. U on AmIRC?
caldi | Lord am lagged in to next weeks vacation.
vog | Hammer: Not sure... lots of mail. Perhaps.
HammerD | vog: will there be any official announcements on the 19th
in france?
Frotz | rmerlin: us organizing one hasnt got shit to do with the
fact that viscorp is only having one, and it's in france.
Frotz | vog: the mere lack of any US mention in the announcement
has caused several developers to leave for the PC. this is
a volatile time for folks to choose their press releases so
carelessly.
Frotz | caldi: me too.
vog | Hammer: I hope so.
vog | Frotz: Who said we are only having one?
HammerD | vog, perhaps an IRC conference after the 19th would be
best...(moderated of course! :)
Wizird | Anyone here willing to take up a little logo project to
design a nice professional logo for Linux? :)
vog | Tweety: What do you mean? Window?
RMerlin | Frotz: You must admit that most developpers are in Europe,
so sounds logical that the FIRST one be there.
Wizird | Frotz?
AztecC | Frotz: don't read too much into the wording of that letter
from Eric. Lots of room for misinterpretation.
kolla | whats up in here nowadays?
Frotz | vog: your press release mentioned just that one, and said,
and i quote, "this meeting will decide the future of the
amiga".
kolla | hm.. except from laging ..
egress | vog:you a offical viscrop/AT guy
vishart | Was there not an Amiga convention in Japan recently ?
vog | Hammer: I've asked Bill for an IRC soon. Perhaps live from
france.
HammerD | vishart: yes.
HammerD | vog: cool.
desrat | re
Frotz | rmerlin: i wouldnt say most. the only notable one I can
think of is phase5 anyway. unless you want to start a
comparative list and leave out newtek and impulse and so
on.
desrat | anyone get news succesfully with voyager?
sunrise | vog the fact is that YOU didnt say you were having more!
HammerD | vog: do you remember any of the exec coding you did?:=) it
was long time ago.. :)
vishart | who was sponsoring the Japan thing ?
RMerlin | Frotz: If you look at stuff hitting Aminet, 80% of the
programmers are there. Only 20% of us are in North America
these days :(
kolla | desrat: hm.. yeah, sort of, but who wants to read use that
way?
kolla | read news
vishart | RMerlin : I am still here...but only for another month....
vog | Hammer: sure... much of it... why?
Frotz | aztecc: also known as a piss-poor vague press release.
NEVER leave room for misinterpretation.
Frotz | rmerlin: aminet has nothing to do with it, we're talking
commercial level developers here.
RMerlin | vog: Any chance you might get directly involved into
AmigaOS development?
desrat | kolla:not me..just wondering....everything else works like
a charm tho..:)
RMerlin | Frotz: AMinet is a sample. It's the same thing with
commercial level developpers.
HammerD | vog, as rmerlin said...you may get your hands wet again?
:=)
Holo | AT needs to drop the compatability issue and move the
technology another 10 light years ahead. (reminicient of
1985)
kolla | desrat: well.. I found at leat one htnl2 tag it doesnt
support :/
kolla | html even..
vog | RMerlin: How so? (AmigaOS)
desrat | voyager is nice
RMerlin | vog: Helping in the PowerPC port, or just improving it.
HammerD | vog: is walker cancelled?
Tweety_ | Holo Compatibility with ref. to What???
Holo | to existing hardware.
TimG | anyone here running excelsior BBS software?
sidewind | Howdy zygo
desrat | re side
vog | Frotz: I agree. Vague.
egress | holo:is vog that carl guy that wrote EXEC
vog | Hammer: Nothing is canceled.
zygo | Howdy sidewind :)
HammerD | vog, good news :)
Holo | Tweety: would you buy an amiga if it wasn't compatable with
your existing hardware or software?
desrat | mr sas?
Tweety_ | Holo: you mean Intel Boxes?
Holo | egress: I have no idea.
vog | desrat: Yes?
desrat | carl sassafraz?
Holo | No!!!!!! Hell NO!!!!
RMerlin | Sassafras? :)
HammerD | frotz, :)
desrat | hammer..:)
RMerlin | Saskatoon?
Holo | Tweety: I mean a hardware software machine like the leap
from C64 to Amiga.
HammerD | carl, do you prefer custom chipsets, like the original
amiga 1000, or do you think off the shelf gfx cards are the
way to go?
vog | Sassenrath.
desrat | hi carl..glad to meet ya
Montage | Tweety_ did you get my message
Tweety_ | Okay, I see, you mean PPC w/no bakward compat. BAD move
IMHO. 'sides Apple has already proven it can be done
fairly well.
RMerlin | darx seen exec
-Darxide- | exec (raydar@*.netcom.com) signed off 5 hours and 57
minutes ago (Dead socket)
egress | whoooow
vog | Hammer: Very good question.... custom VS off the shelf....
Tweety_ | Holo: Amigas can emulate C64 quite well. Though I know not
why anyone would want this.
vog | Hammer: Always liked custom... but those days may be coming
to a close.
desrat | :)
kolla | ah.. vog :)
RMerlin | vog: Right now, I think AT has no skilled engineer to work
on the OS. I guess that not much people knows it better
than you do :)
desrat | bless u
Holo | Tweety: your missing the point.
HammerD | vog, do you (personally) like the walker?
RMerlin | Tsychenko I think...
Tweety_ | Holo: sorry...
Cappy | RMerlin: I wouldn't consider Andy Finkel a pushover in the
OS dept.
desrat | vog:i hate the design of the walker till i saw it could be
streched out
vog | RMerlin: No, but didn't they hire some good consultants?
HammerD | Rmerlin, they have some contract coders, heinz wrobel, olaf
barthel, andy finkel?
RMerlin | Cappy: Only if AT could make THE move to hire him
full-time.
Holo | Tweety: How about a machine that moves 1 billion polygons
a sec in 32 bit color, etc., etc., etc.
sidewind | Peter who?
RMerlin | vog: They have Barthel who's probably okay. I think Andy
Finkel was also close to get involved.
egress | vog:are AT keeping low end machines,eg for future
china/asia market
HammerD | vog, is the AT sale complete yet?
RMerlin | I wouldn't put my faith on Barthel.
Frotz | sidewind: escom/at dude.
Tweety_ | Holo: You want an Sillicon Graphics Onyx?
RMerlin | So far, looks like AT hopes that Phase5 does all the hard
work for them.
vog | RMerlin: Yes Barthel.
desrat | brb..bogger in da nose
kolla | poor vog :)
vog | Hammer: no, not yet.
Frotz | rmerlin: barthel is NOT ok. look what a fucking mess he
made out of Term.
Spudboy | Hello All
RMerlin | Frotz: Okay in my words means "average" :)
sidewind | Frotz: cool
Holo | Tweety: No an Amiga priced machine.
kolla | frotz: well.. have seen _lot_ worse than term..
RMerlin | Frotz: I wouldn't count on him to bring AmigaDOS in the
21st century.
HammerD | vog, I hope projects at AT are taken off "hold" status
soon... :=( I hope you can make nice announcements later
this month :)
vog | Frotz: Term? What do you mean mess?
sidewind | WOOF!
RMerlin | Damn it, site is about to dump me :( Catch you later
folks!
Senc | re
Frotz | cappy: yick.
Holo | New Amiga. YES!!!
kolla | frotz: gtlayout rules!
NightSpd | Frotz: What do you epect from a guy I had to pay in PAL
videodisks:)
Frotz | rmerlin: after Term, he qualifies as less than average in
my eyes.
vog | AztecC: Still there Jim?
desrat | me likes voyager
Tracker | the new amiga os should require you to type LOAD....,8,1
Tweety_ | Holo: So you think this can be done?
Cappy | Frotz: He posted that many times back in my days on GEnie.
AztecC | vog: hehe, having fun yet?
Frotz | vog: Olaf Barthel took a small tight efficient program
named Term, and turned it into a bloated mess in under a
year. He's the laughinstock of most of the programmers I
know.
desrat | aooga
HammerD | vog, do you talk to Dave Haynie at all?
vog | AC: Wow... how do they keep the messages straight? Seem
out of sequence often.
Tweety_ | Damn it's noisy in here.
Holo | Tweety: Sure. They were about to with HPRISC. It got lost
though. Oh well.
vog | Hammer: EMail every so often. But more soon I would guess.
NightSpd | Frotz: Wait until he coverts it to MUI and then we can all
belly laugh...
desrat | re jkay
Jkay | hello there
turtle | hey tweety
vog | AC: No problem... not sure I know how to moderate!?!
HammerD | frotz, i think he has learned from those mistakes.. :)
hopefully :)
Tracker | IBM has bought rights to the Mac operating system, for mass
reproduction in PowerPC computers made by IBM
Frotz | hammerd: i see no evidence of that.
Tweety_ | Holo: Don't have enough info to conjecture on HPRISC, but
PPC is bound to be more widely supported in the future.
kolla | NightSpeed: that will not happen ;)
HammerD | aztec :=)
caldi | NightSpd: Olaf doesn't like MUI. ;)
Spudboy | tracker: oh really?
kolla | NightSpeed: alot of the point with term was to test out
gtlayout while making it ..
Tracker | IBM is thinking about talking about eating the whole apple,
if you get my drift
HammerD | AztecC, are you going to france as well?
vog | Jim, that was cool. I never knew you were a IRC god.
Tweety_ | I'm sure they are Tracker...
Frotz | tracker: no, that's not right. they licensed it so that
they could build mac clones for companies that wanted to
subcontract IBM to do so, not so that IBM could sell macs
in the mainstream market. get a clue before you spew.
Tracker | notice how apple has been paring down its operations, to
make it cheaper at the fruit market
kolla | tracker: where did you read that??
NightSpd | caldi: Would you rather I insult Class Act instead ;)
AztecC | HammerD: No, I'm going to Yosemite :)
HammerD | vog, do you know Dr.Hepler ?
zygo | I'm back!
vog | Hammer: no.
Frotz | tracker: your information is badly distorted and mostly
incorrect.
Foobar | 'Eve everyone
Spudboy | Zygo: Hi
paulaM | hi
Tracker | IBM is making PowerPC's - that statement is correct
Spudboy | paulam: Hi
HammerD | vog, how's your french? you better start practising :)
desrat | well 1 outa 2 aint bad
HammerD | hi Alan
RexxMast | paulammmmm!
Spot | Tracker: So is MOT... your point!
Tracker | System 7 is being licensed to IBM.
vog | Hammer: I was thinking about that.... don't know a single
word!
_Barron | What is a good browser I can use on my A3000???
Holo | Tweety: Sure but PPC is just a microprocessor. What makes
Amiga so powerful is the custom chips. Imagine custom
chips inside a section of the microprocessor. Wow!
(HPRISC)
zygo | Hi spudboy!
Foobar | _Barron: AWeb :)
egress | _barron:AWEB
paulaM | hi spudboy :)
Tweety_ | Barron: IBrowse
rooster2 | NE1 from England going to the meeting in Toulouse?
paulaM | hiya rexx :)
HammerD | vog: :=) Bonjour, salut...
Frotz | tracker: yes, but powerpc != macintosh.
Foobar | _Barrons: Or Voyager
Tracker | for the first time, the PowerPC's will have the OS they
needed, and will be made by the big boys
desrat | toolousy letrec?
NightSpd | Tracker: IBM is using the Mac OS on it's PreP compliant
systems.... the only thing these have in common with the
PPC Mac is the processor.
HammerD | vog, are you going to Germany as well?
Cappy | NightSpd: That is incorrect.
NightSpd | Cappy: Do tell.
paulaM | i got a personal answer from sassenrath just now... he said
"you will be pleased with what is about to happen.
Tracker | IBM and Apple promised long ago what IBM is now about to
produce
vog | Hammer: not officially. But perhaps. Is that where you
are?
BillyIdol | _Barrons Alynx! ;)
Frotz | tracker: macos is NOT the os the powerpc needs. it's slow,
outdated, and brings a fast cpu to its knees. duh. NT for
the powerpc will crush it.
snapper2 | vog..... sounds like hog.... you must use MUI :)
Cappy | NightSpd: IBM is not using the MacOS on their systems.
HammerD | vog, nope, I'm in Canada
Foobar | _Barron: I don't think any of the web browsers will run
under 2.1 anymore. Early versions of Mosaic would, but
they all need the datatype library. There's always ALynx
if you really must
Tweety_ | Holo: You work for HP?
Frotz | paulam: talk to vog about that.
rooster2 | Has NE1 on this channel got a graffiti or know of anyone
that has ?
Foobar | _Barron: Anymore, I really suggest you get 3.1 ... all
around a good idea
Tracker | in case you haven't noticed, Apple is prime for a takeover
bid, and their OS is still very popular
Foobar | Sidey!
turtle | Jkay : where is bawt? hols?
Frotz | tracker: you're flat out spewing bullshit, now stop or be
confined to the outside of this channel, i'm NOT in a good
mood.
_Barron | Thankyou..
Tracker | IBM wants System 7 to help take away some of the Win95
market share
Tweety_ | Tracker: Apple is "ripe" Heh, heh..
Holo | Tweety: No. But the concept is sound. I don't care who
does it. Just that AT jumps ahead so far again that it
takes 10 years to catch up.
HammerD | vog, what amiga are you using now? an AT one ?
vog | Snapper: headed this way.
Frotz | tracker: under 5% of the market is NOT considered very
popular.
ushooz | Tracker go home
Frotz | tracker: ok, you lose.
NightSpd | Cappy: I'm not going to say you're dead wrong, but I think
you might be...
paulaM | hahah
Jkay | turtle: well, mit.edu k-lined him, so Optic said "to hell
with Efnet" He's in a far better place.
Tweety_ | Holo: I just think that that could better be accomplished
with a more popular processor.. And more cheaply....
Davo | MEOW!
turtle | Jkay : hell? :o)
NightSpd | Thanks Frotz.
vog | Hammer: Sitting on my desk here, I've got 2 3000's, a 4000,
but this is on an A1200....
egress | whoff
Cappy | NightSpd: Frotz said it exactly as it's going down.
Frotz | pardon me for a moment FUCK THE MACINTOSH!
thanks.
vog | Hammer: wanted to see how well/bad it worked under
pressure.
egress | A1200 are lovely
Tweety_ | Frotz: Apple has gone to a 5% share???
HammerD | vog, what tcp/ip stack are you using?
sidewind | WINDOWS95
sidewind | now
sidewind | jhehe
Frotz | tweety: powermacs are barely at that.
desrat | 5%?
sidewind | hehe
rooster2 | egress:Dont say that otherwise you may get a 4000 owner
slagging you off.
snapper2 | vog : Physically, or here as in IRC ?
vog | egress: not so sure I like the keyboard....
Foobar | Sidey: heheh
Frotz | desrat: powermacs, not 680x0.
kolla | vog: cool, I have 3 A1200s and an A3000 here :) all with
ethernet ;)
vog | snappper: physically.
Foobar | _Barron: What happened?
desrat | oh
caldi | IMHO, the A1200 is great little machine, but I can't get
used to the small return key to save my life.
egress | vog:PC key board have no real feeling
Holo | Tweety: cool. I don't. Nice conversation though!
Thanks.
rooster2 | egress:That is what happened to me.S o it's not only pc
owners we have to look out for but other amiga owners
(sigh~~)
Tweety_ | Frotz: wow.... Cool <---(Certified Mac Hater) Macs don't
like _me_ either BTW.
vog | egress: this one is sponge city though. Amiga keyboards
used to work well for me.
AztecC | hehe, vog is using a german key cap set! :)
Frotz | tweety: sorry, had to vent that. and tracker was captain
misinformation.
Spudboy | caldi: And that is your biggest problem with the
A1200...hehe
tekmage | NAN: do yo uhave any Blizzard SCSI kits?
desrat | well...time for sum newz...later...cya vog
paulaM | spot>> i compromised, nd use an A3000 keyboard on my A2000
:)
Tweety_ | egress: Iv'e got an IBM keyboard at work that I just *love*
nice positive click action, but not too firm of a feel.
HammerD2 | re
vog | Who was that that asked about asking questions? I could
not read your text.... running 1200 in PAL half res.
NAN | tekmage: No. Blizzards have not made it over yet.
Spudboy | tekmage: Hello
Spot | Paulm: Me too :)
egress | vog:It great for people up at 5:30am
NAN | tekmage: I have 1260's on the way, the SCSI kits were not
available.
NAN | vog: That would be me.
tekmage | re Spudboy
Foobar | ALL: This Saturday, Amiga Atlanta, Inc., will be hosting
reps from both QuickPak and GVP-M..
Emera | Does anyone have ver 3.4 of Shapeshifter...?
rooster2 | Paulam:Did carl s give you any info in his message you
mentioned?
caldi | Spudboy: Yep, in the little time I've used it (only at WOA
shows, I don't use it at work/home much) :)
HammerD2 | vog, do you think amiga development would stay in germany,
or move to usa?
Tweety_ | Frotz: Yeah, he pretty much deserved the boot.
HammerD2 | re caldi
vog | NAN: Sorry about that... the text showed in white here and
the NAN ran together.
TarlCabot | are 1200's still available? price?
NAN | foobar: Funny... The guy you are probably getting from
QuikPak started the original GVP :)
HammerD2 | nan, tekmage has a A1260. He is in usa tho.
paulaM | yay amiga developers :)
tekmage | NAN: whats the price on the SCSI kit?
Commando | TarlCabot: arond $700 or so.
Frotz | hammerd: you mean development is actually taking place in
germany? i'd never have known. 8
Frotz | 8)
egress | tarlcabot:about �499 for a1200hd
kolla | :)
vog | Frotz: This IRC client does scroll....
tekmage | Commando: I think we lost connection
desrat | bbl
Frotz | vog: well there you go. 8)
Spudboy | Venom: Hi
NAN | $nacb tell tekmage price blizzard
zygo | venom & spidey!! :)
venom_ | Hiya Everyone! :)
Jkay | vog: you'll have to get that fingerd running .. your
machine is refusing links :)
Commando | Does anyone know quikpak's rates on assembly?
venom_ | Spudboy hi
snapper2 | vog: Perhaps you should say why you are here to kind of
organize the questions .
Commando | tekmange: i pulled up a chat window ..
venom_ | zygo :)
paulaM | hi zygo :)
HammerD2 | hi venom!
venom_ | NightSpd hiya
Tweety_ | Commando: probably higher than the rate of purchase. For
now...
egress | chaaat T
Emera | Shapeshifter3.5 crashed my system and locks up...I need 3.4
to test something...
Commando | erema: yes, i have 3.4..
tekmage | Commando: do you want to play again?
vog | snapper: I'm testing this 1200. Not here in official
capacity.
HammerD | vog, you are at 640x256? I'm at 1152x900 on my A3000 :)
Foobar | Emera: I heard 3.5 is now harder to use whatever hacks are
out there with..
Commando | Tweety: i can go to zipperware and get Amiga 1200 internet
w/ magic pack and scala for $720US
Emera | commando: care to dcc?
Tweety_ | vog: you have too many Amigas, care to ship me one? :>
Commando | tekmange: sure!
vntnrse | re
Tweety_ | Commando: Then you should!
Commando | tekmange: set your speed to max on the shooting..
zygo | Hi vntnrse
Emera | foobar: I have no need of hacks
vog | Hammer: yes 640, 256. Not much compared to what I am used
to staring at.
Commando | emera: well, i am playing a TCP game right now, can't you
get it off of aminet?
venom_ | Heya vntnrse :)
Jkay | hell, I'm running this ancient 3000 at 740x482 :) on a 17"
monitor
tekmage | Commando: OK
Emera | commando: it isn't on there any more...only 3.5
kolla | vog: the A1200 can do 912x628 you know ;)
Nameless | Does anyone know occam2 here??
vog | Hamer: but I was curious how the low end lives. Does
anyone really use the 1200 for this?
Tweety_ | Commando: Wow, they have tcp games?
NyxEA | re
HammerD | vog, sometimes yes :)
Frotz | re nyx.
egress | vog:put 2meg more in up clock speed to 28Mhz and you have a
great internet machine
vog | kolla: thanks.... but not on a 1084. I've blown them out
like that. ;)
kolla | vog: hehe :)
egress | vog:yes me A1200HD 2meg
tekmage | Commando: connect now
Commando | Tweety: i have an Amiga 3000 w/ picasso IV24, CDROM,
Emplant, etc. etc.
HammerD | vog, have you used a 060 before?
vog | egress: yes, but then this would not be a typical box.
Commando | tweety: not with the Amiga 1200 :-)
Tweety_ | Commando: Oh... So, what were you asking?
paulaM | sassenrath left me nice e-mail tonight
vog | Hammer: no.
vntnrse | zygo: 8D
sidewind | WOOF!
nomatez | Has NE1 looked into the AGAWxtender?
tekmage | TWeety!!! how are YOU??? Its BIll Borsari from NCAUG!
Commando | tekmange: ok
kolla | vog: well.. actually .. one of the A1200 here use
ntsc-laced on a 1084s here.. not to much flickering
Spudboy | paulam: what is the scoop???
Commando | tekmage: ok
venom_ | Heya sidey :)
venom_ | Baaaaaah! :)
Frotz | nyx, you name-dropper...
vog | paula: Yes... sent lots of email today. Took entire
afternoon to catchup.
sidewind | venom_ :))
sidewind | moo to you too..
NyxEA | Frotz: No, seriously. I think we met once, but I can't
remember when or what I was doing at the time.
Commando | Tweety: dodm
sidewind | paulaM Howdy
Commando | Tweety: didn'yt ask anything ..
snapper2 | vog: So how many email messages do you average per day
since VISCorp announced their acquisition ?
NyxEA | Frotz: I want to say MPEG stuff but i can't be sure.
nomatez | I heard a rumour that VIScorp is interested in Fabio
Bizzzetti's AGAExtender
Commando | kolly: i think that mutliscan is a better deal
Tweety_ | Commando: dodm???
Frotz | nyxea: well ask him. i didnt know you knew anything about
computers... 8)
Commando | nomatez: true ..
kolla | commando: on a 1084 ??
TarlCabot | nomatez:agaextender?
vog | Snapper: a few hundred a week on average.
paulaM | vog>> ok :) i just figured who you were :/
NyxEA | Frotz: Feh
HammerD2 | damn ISP, keeps hanging up on me
NyxEA | ;)
Nameless | ARGH!!! This shitty PC doesn't even multitask :-(
Frotz | nyxea: come on, i wanna witness the teary reunion.
Commando | kolla: forgot to add on a 1960 or so :-)
HammerD2 | vog, approximately how many e-mails have you received since
the VIScorp/AT deal announced? :)
Foobar | Nameless: DUH.. what did you expect?
vog | Snapper: Most email asks the same thing, so it goes fast.
But I do have to read them.... the shorter ones that is.
egress | steve jobs to buy viscrop/AT!
kolla | commando: :)
snapper2 | vog: Doesn't responding personally to all of them slow down
ED OS development ?
Jkay | HD: I hate that; at least I have an external modem, so I
can see when I get punted
HammerD2 | jkay, my isp has hung up on me twice in 10 minutes.
vog | Hammer: I have not counted. Lots.
AztecC | paulaM: vog = VIScorp OS Guy
Inigo_ | Anyone have the game Twin World for Amiga?
HammerD2 | Aztec, does ED use its own OS? or AmigaOS?
nomatez | TarlCabot:The dox are on AMINET.It was proposed by Fabio
Bizzetti of Virtual Karting.It is a gfx extender for aga
machines.Supposed to be better than svga.
NightSpd | Would someone define "set top box" for me. (As in "why the
frak would I need/want one..)
Foobar | Inigo_: Nope.. Vut is it?
egress | Inigo_:did you write Twin World maybe
vog | Snapper: yes, but I've tried ignoring my email in the past
(like in the old Amiga days) and...
paulaM | aztecC>> yes, i figured that... i'm slow tonight :/ :)
AztecC | HammerD2: Kickstart 3.1 in ROM.
Commando | night: you set a box on the TV - restricting you to it's
kioks functions...
vog | Snapper: it was not a good thing....
Inigo_ | No...it's a FINE platform game for Amiga from Ubisoft back
in 91-92. EXCELLENT. Want it badly again. Even called
Ubi Soft -- they do not offer it any longer. Gave all
copies away.
HammerD2 | AztecC, did you customize it at all or do you have software
that sits on top of the OS ?
Jkay | AztecC: vog= the man who forged the most important part of
the Amiga OS, many years ago ... if I understand correctly,
he's as important as The Padre.
Nameless | foobar: Well, I DID expect netscape to allow me to STOP an
xfer :-(
Nameless | kolla: just convert it to jpegs :)
Commando | nomatez: what is the file name?
kolla | nameless: I though more for browsing ..
kolla | cool ...
vog | NAN: you've got that right.
Jkay | current gif.dt bites it :/
nomatez | Commando:AGAExtenderdoc.lha (I Think)
snapper2 | vog: So Corel was wondering what was with them wierd lists
the the extra pointers :)
Foobar | Nameless: Bah.. Which limbs I'd still have if I were
taken away from any sort of multitasking..
kolla | Eagle Computers joins the party =)
Nameless | Inigo: better try the pirate market then, if no one sells
it I mean.
Holo | Please don't kick me (cower). Anybody know if PowerPC
Amigas will run NT?
HammerD2 | vog, when did you leave C=? before 2.04 or after?
vog | Snapper: you mean the back pointers?
AztecC | HammerD2: Custom menu system for phone dialing, address
book, etc. but with TV style look.
NAN | holo: We'll get back to you on that :)
kolla | Eagle Computers kick ass !! :)
egress | ? could vog take bill gates in knife fight
Commando | nomatez: in what directory? docs/hacks or sometning?
NAN | vog: :)
HammerD2 | kolla, gonna buy a Eagle A4000T ? :)
vog | Hammer: yes. Nov 1985. Was pissed at Commodore.
Jkay | egress: he'd whup his ass, of course.
vntnrse | vog: I've just one simple question: Will we ever be able
to laugh @ Microsoft's junk again?
nomatez | I have a copy of the dox still.Who wants?
AztecC | egress: =)
NyxEA | Heh
NyxEA | oops
kolla | HammerD: well... ;)
paulaM | hahah
egress | holo:maddness has taken you
snapper2 | vog: Yeah, they hadn't seen them before, but they bought
something that used Exec Lists recently, so Ben just told
them it allowd for easy removal :)
HammerD | vog, must be alot of OS changes since you left.
NightSpd | Commando: So could I further define it as "an interactive
thingy that the cable company will want to rent to me for
an additional 10 bucks, so that I can pay for thirty dollar
services".
kolla | HammerD: maybe buy tower for my A3000 and a better
towersolution for my A1200..
TarlCabot | egress: I could take billy boy in a knife fight :)
Frotz | nyx: you've been hitting the wrong window all day. isnt
nextstep supposed to have advanced window controls or
something?
Nug | venom: Again?,
Holo | NAN: Thank you. I have a ton of Amiga stuff now. I even
have an Amiga 1000 that I don't use at all. (I use my 1200,
and 2000)
Commando | nightspd: right on the button
TarlCabot | egress: probably any small boy could..
NyxEA | Frotz: I'm using ircII on my Indy. ;)
kolla | HammerD: and a pentium board to run linux on =)
vog | Hammer: actually, a lot less than I thought. Exec has been
pretty stable.
NAN | holo: I have stacks of Amiga's... and I only use 3.
HammerD | kolla, cool!
egress | vntnrse:i laughing now
HammerD | vog, everyone was probably scared to fiddle with it :)
NyxEA | HammerD: Yeah, but coolest part of it didn't change much
over the years. ;)
venom_ | Nug: Yeah I guess. Something bout Ibm using the Apple OS.
Who knows? :)
HammerD | nyx, you mean Exec, right? :)
Frotz | nyxea: better off using it for radiance.
Nug | venom: Ugh, don't want apple's OS. :) I wanna know what
Sony's new os is going to be like.
kolla | HammerD: or maybe even something better .. an alphaDEC
board would be cool =D
NyxEA | Frotz: My P133 is faster. ;)
HammerD | kolla, cool, but expensive :))
kolla | HammerD: yup..
vog | Hammer: no, actually Bryce was a blessing. Very good.
NyxEA | HammerD: Of course.
NyxEA | Which is why I like 3DO's kernel.
NyxEA | It's extremely Exec-like. Dale did a nice job with it.
Nameless | kolla: trasputers would be even more fun, Not that fast,
but if you get enoug of em :-D
kolla | HammerD: I _like_ expencive equipments :)
vntnrse | egress: ;)
HammerD | kolla :)
Foobar | BRB all
Nug | Plus, 3D0's OS has good documentation. A lot of consoles
have very bad docs.
vog | NyxEA: 3DO's kernel was by Dale.
NyxEA | vog: And then Sinz got ahold of it. Hehehehehe. ;)
HammerD | vog, I hope you can arrange a IRC conference from France.
That would really be great! :)
vog | NyxEA: hehehe.
HammerD | nyx, wasn't sinze good?
NyxEA | vog: Darren found an interesting bog in the interrupt
handling between 3.0 and 3.1 I think.
kolla | Nameless: transputer? you mean emulating?
HammerD | sinz even
acadiel | hello all!
NightSpd | Commando: Hmm, at least in the US with integrated
communications on the horizon, it would integrate other
functions as well... (and you could rent software for it to
be distributed on a TV channel sideband?
vog | Hammer: yes. Get the whole group in the room.
NyxEA | vog: Yeah, I know...
ushooz | NyxEA: That was funny :)
NyxEA | HammerD: Nah, Sinz is okay. Except for 3.0's SAD debugger.
;)
Foobar | back
Lakris | Argh! Anyone into Occam 2 programming herE ?
vog | whew.... skunk outside.... windows open.
Holo | NAN: Hah! Put them all together and make a BIG Amiga!
7Mhz+16Mhz+40Mhz+50Mhz+14Mhz+40Mhz makes 167Mhz. Beats the
pants off of a 166Mhz Pentium!
HammerD | vog, cool :)
Nameless | kolla: Nope, real multitasking with several processors.
Programming a machine with 8 transputers as we speak.
egress | vog:get one of those court typest to do live IRC from
france
NyxEA | Greg Miller had fun dragging Sinz over the coals on that
one.
kolla | Nameless:ah.. ok, like the bebox and others ..
Trapper | re al
Trapper | asl
NightSpd | Nameless: I haven't heard of transputers in ages...
Toecutter | Anyone been able to get Bane of the Cosmic Forge to work on
a A1200? It keeps crashing on me right before combat.
(sighing)
acadiel | Carl! :)
caldi | Nyx: Well they he named it right then didn't he? :)
HammerD | nyx, well one of the things i liked about C= was the
direction of the OS...it just kept getting better :) 2.04
was cool, 3.x was cooler :)
vog | egress: something like that would be nice... but I figure
it might end up being me.
gish | hi
Lakris | vog: Check out http://www.himolde.no/~espen/TheGame
Lakris | :)
snapper2 | NyxEA: Funny how Mikey still took the credit though :)
Nameless | kolla: yeah, only that the trasputer is cheap, and you can
have MANY of them (no limits in fact)
Nameless | NightSpd. probably because they are slow :)
HammerD | vog, nice job on the VIScorp WWW site. I'm glad you keep it
current :)
vog | Lakris: why?
kolla | Nameless: hm.. cheap? why?
egress | vog:how many word per min? :))
NyxEA | Be back later....food has arrived.
tekmage | Commando: ok ready?
Nameless | kolla: I don't know... Because they can make then cheap??
Frotz | nameless: but they dont share ram well, and ram isnt cheap,
you know?
vog | Nameless: THAT's the reason I left Amiga in 1985!
Jkay | SpudBoy: TOPIC
Lakris | vog: Why not ? :) Nah, it's just some work in progress...
:)
kolla | Nameless: :)
acadiel | Vog: anything you want to say to the international AMIGA
echo that I can post? ;)
nomatez | Lakris:What is the worl in progress then?
egress | vog:how about a viscrop mailing list for AT news
Commando | tekmage: er.. maybe.. hold.
Trib | Anyone tried playing Battleduel with a TCP/IP connection?
I guess a better question would be would someone like to
try?
Nameless | frotz:; ram isn't cheap?? What planet are you from?? :)
Nameless | Frotz: and they CAN'T share ram, that is soem of the
multiprocessor thingys.
Spudboy | Jkay: Wow the Carl....? Trip -out
vog | acadiel: Not yet.
Lakris | nomatez: We're doing a C&C/DuneII like game as our thesis..
:)
kolla | Lakris: any TCP support?
Foobar | #classact
Foobar | Bah.
caldi | haha
HammerD | vog, why did you leave AMIGA ? transputers?
Lakris | kolla: Maybe.. We've only been programming it for 3
months...
vog | egress: yes.... there's a lot that needs to be done on the
net for VIScorp to properly support things.
Jkay | SpudB: ya, now if DrGandalf, and Dave H wandered in, we'd
all explode.
kolla | Lakris: pretty please!! ;)
nomatez | Lakris:Wahhooo!C&C is one of the only games on the PC I
love.I'm glad someone is doing an Amiga version.I shall
check out your page soon..:()
kolla | Lakris: :D
vog | egress: But, we've got a node that is close to the NA
backbone.... so bandwidth should work out.
Spudboy | Jkay: haha ;)
vog | Hammer: yes, transputers.
acadiel | vog: I hope someething comes out soon... no ETA or
anything?
Wizird | Geezus is B5 good tonight.
paulaM | i enjoued reading the haynie compuserve transcript a lot
egress | but i tell you this parrot is dead!
HammerD | vog, i think some developers have been complaining that AT
hasn't done enough to support them. ... ie. no 3.1
developer docs...
Frotz | nameless: ram isnt cheap if you need 8-10 cpu's worth of
it, and I'm pretty aware of the inmos chips and their
problems, i did some undergrad work on 64-cpu butterfly
back when that was the complete and totall balls-out shit
in industry.
Wizird | Kosh is DEAD :(
Nameless | kolla: there will be some sort of netplay for sure... At
least in v1.2 :)
Foobar | Wizird: Where is it?
Lakris | nomatz: Well, don't look at it TOO soon... It won't be
released until next summer :/
egress | vog:deadly slow sometimes from UK
Lakris | nomatz: If at all...
Jkay | Wiz: um ... hush. I havenbt seen it yet. Saturday
acadiel | paula: I was the transcriber ;)
Wizird | Foobar: local station
Tachyon_ | Cool, 69 users! It's an orgy
vog | Hammer: after the OS, wanted to add parallel processors to
the next Amiga.
Foobar | uh-huh
HammerD | tach, heeh.
nomatez | Commando:You no want AGAExtender dox?
Nameless | Frotz: Well, if you need 1 Meg for each processor. and you
buy 8 processors, you just need 8 megs of ram.
Foobar | Wizird: Ok, I'm settng my VCR ro tape it tonight
vog | Hammer: So I put in a purchase order for the transputer
development board.
ushooz | Rexxmast Dallas TX
Wizird | Jkay: oops. :)
HammerD | vog, you did, and they said no?
paulaM | acadiel>> ah, cool :) that was a real good conference...
very 'up', and haynie had a lot of good things to say
Tachyon_ | 70! kick someone
venom_ | Hi Tachyon
sidewind | sex
vog | Hammer: Figured I better get started on the future
multiprocessor Amiga.
sidewind | sheep
kolla | darn.. crash due to lack of mem
gish | Baaaaaa!
Tachyon_ | My merlin?
tgg | SiDeWiNdEr!
HammerD | vog, wouldn't it be hard to re-write amigaOS to support
that?
Lakris | Urk! How do you terminate parallel processes in Occam 2 ?
:/
Cappy | HammerD: Are you surprised they said no? ;)
Frotz | nameless: i've yet to see an inmos OS that runs in under a
meg of local ram and does anything of value. raytracing,
which lends itself to parallelization, needs more ram than
that just for partial octree data.
Tachyon_ | Hey venom!
vog | Hammer: Commodore was not interested in technology
development.
NAN | vog: Did those transputer cards EVER get released?
acadiel | paulaM: heh ;) That was 4 hours of quality Compuserve time
;)
sidewind | tgg!!!!
sidewind | yohoho
egress | 500Mhz PPC by end 97
HammerD | vog, that would have been cool. C= had alot of cool
technology that got canned over the years :(
kolla | vog: hows the support from motorola?
vog | NAN: was not a card. Was an entire computer.
Tachyon_ | Nameless: Then buy a Walker. it's already PPC capable
HammerD | vog, AAA, 3D-RISC, 3000+.... :((((
Frotz | nameless: the powerpc is VERY cheap.
Lakris | Name: What about a CHEAP Amiga for a change ? THAT would be
the day ... :)
Nameless | Frotz: Well, if you split it up enough, you won't have the
need of more. But then again, I prefer programming in C,
not occam 2 :-)
NAN | vog: Okay... Same question.. :)
vog | kolla: good I hear.
tgg | erg: read about that...funny how it will draw more power
then the 500Mhz alpha though...and I thought the alpha was
suppose to be inefficient ;)
Commando | HammerD: my thoughts exactly!
paulaM | it seems all the best C= technology never saw the light of
day :/ (a3000+, etc)
Lakris | Tachyon: My A4000 is already ppc-capable...
kolla | vog: great..
Nameless | Lak: Bah, you pay for what you get. I prefer having a good
machine... just look at the ZIP trouble today :)
Frotz | nameless: there are 2 commercial grade c compilers for the
inmos range, and probably more by now.
HammerD | vog, I think Dave Haynie is already outlining the specs for
the PowerAmiga...
egress | ttg:)
vog | paulaM: Yes, and then there was the sad AAA story. Whew.
Nameless | frotz: Well, we only program in Occam 2, and to be frank,
that language sucks bigtime.
vog | Hammer: That should prove to be interesting.
kolla | vog: always looked on the amiga as the only machine
actually _using_ the 68ks :) The macs only abused it :D
RMerlin | re all
AztecC | re RMerlin!
Frotz | nameless: agreed.
Tachyon_ | RMerlin
HammerD | vog, yep :)
tgg | erg: its funny when CPUs start drawing 60watts of power ;)
the power brick from the A1200 would die if you tried to
add a 500Mhz PPC card ;) plus I think the case would melt
too ;)
Spot | tooo fast
vog | kolla: true. Macs did abuse it.
Frotz | nameless: but that's a school language, not a production
language.
HammerD | vog, amigaOS is really fast on a 040 40MHz.. :)
vog | tgg: I once worked on an Apple cpu that took about that
much power!
RMerlin | Please guys, you are now three who are telling me who vog
is. I know, thanks :)
paulaM | i found macs to be insulting, and ibm was boring... amiga
was the only one that really impressed me :)
egress | tgg:the power brick keels over from a 1230 sometimes
vog | Hammer: yes. I do like fast OS's. Wish there were more.
NAN | I have a printer that sucks 150W.. My lights dim when I
turn it on.
Nameless | Kolla: That is why the Mac's got all the professional SW.
Lakris | Name: Ah.. You're so right... I mean, why are all those
pc-guys slandering off the Amiga, besides trying to make us
feel inferior ? THEY are the ones with the crappiest
software...
kolla | nameless: hm.. yes, guess so.
Nameless | Lakris: Made it exit yet??
paulaM | hi rmerlin :)
Lakris | The Amiga needs some big-time advertising/marketing... Only
the pro people have heard of it... :)
venom_ | Hiya RMerlin
tgg | erg: I had an microbotics 1230XA with 33MHz 030/882 and
16megs ram in my A1200...with the stock PSU... ;)
HammerD | vog, yah.
Lakris | Name: No. YOU go figure out how to terminate parallel
processes! :)
kolla | vog: so sad..
Holo | Buy a bigfoot A1200. No problems here! :)
Commando | tgg: did it melt?
RMerlin | Jkay: hey, I was already around earlier when he was :)
venom_ | NightSpd: Sorry I never did see TheMaxx. :(
Tachyon_ | RMerlin: Well, you ready to belittle the 020 owners yet?
paulaM | ha, get rodney dangerfield to be amiga's spokesman... cause
neither of us get no respect :)
vog | Frotz: great.... send me email with the subject: IRC
moderate. Will look for it.
Nameless | Lak: We'll ask JAAP when he comes to school.
NightSpd | Lakris: Sure it does, but how and where and when and how
much will it cost are the big questions.
tgg | Com: nope...it works...afaik it still works...I sold it to
a friend of mine and his house hasnt burned down yet so ;)
Lakris | Hammerd: Well, AmigaOS on my 060 is instant :)
RMerlin | Tachyon: Not yet. Those %&&#&#%% idiots at UPS messed, so
it's postponed to tomorrow afternoon. My wall can testify
;)
HammerD | Lakris: must be! :)
HammerD | vog, keep that web page current :) I hit it once a day :)
Foobar | I should have a copy oif LightROM 3 coming in tomorrow..
anyone have that?
paulaM | hi tachyon :)
Tachyon_ | RMerlin: Hahah, told ya! Never trust anyone in a shit
coloured truck.
AztecC | RMerlin: :((
Commando | tgg: hehehehhe..
vog | Lakris: Wonder how many task switches an 060 can do in a
second?
acadiel | tachyon: '020 users? :) I have one but it's not active ;)
NightSpd | paulaM- I LIKE that...!
egress | use sex pistols "i did it my way" for any amiga ads
Lakris | Hammerd: Yep. Only slow thing on my machine is the chipram
:(
RMerlin | Tachyon: Never trust my usual bad luck too (I went through
FIVE A500 in two weeks back then!)
HammerD | lakris, yeah.
Tachyon_ | Hey paulaM, anything I can give you tonight?
Spot | I had a A1000 with an '020 ;-)
Commando | Foobar: lightROM?
NAN | rm: I have about 5 500's sitting in a closet..
acadiel | hmm.. Voyager's on Aminet?
Silvergls | sure is
HammerD | lakris, my reads to ram are about 58 megabytes/second with
this warp engine :)
egress | vog:the amiga must live and grow, it is our last best hope
for peace
Foobar | Commando: Yeah, lightrom 3 is a 3-CD set with DEM maps,
nearly 7,000 objects, and another CD with mostly textures.
Tachyon_ | RMerlin: don't feel bad. My friends tease me because
EVERYthing I ever buy has something wrong with it
paulaM | tachyon>> yes, but a little later... theres still netlag,
and vog is here too :) i wanna read
HammerD | egress: that sounds like something out of star wars... :)
RMerlin | NAN: My first one had a few non-working keys, second one
was obviously second-hand crap, third one blew the same
evening I got it.
NightSpd | Have a salesman selling PCs go home to his Amiga and say,
"where to go today? Where Amiga was seven years ago" ;)
RMerlin | Tachyon: Same here :(
Tachyon_ | acadiel: I was kidding, poor RMerlin is waiting for his 030
card to arrive.
Wizird | EGADS, next week's B5 is gonna be a KILLER!!!!!!!!
Jeffman | /whois nitefyre
Jeffman | oops
acadiel | Tachyon: I'm using an '030 ;)
Commando | Foobar: oh oh .. ok, i was for some reason thinking that
NewTek was releasing Lightwave on a ROM :-)
egress | Hammerd:babylon5
Tachyon_ | Wizird: Why? They not gonna show it? ;')
Wizird | Shadows are gonna attack the station!
EightBall | acadiel: yeppo
Tachyon_ | HammerD: hehe, that's what I get. Sweet ain't it?
Foobar | Commando: d'oh! :) Naw.. that'd be a little hard (where do
you put it? Oh.. make your box a Lightwave terminal.. ;)
snapper2 | Wizird: No more blips please :(
sidewind | B5 ROCKS!!!!!!
Tachyon_ | sucks rocks?
Foobar | Indeed
Jkay | Wiz: ... ahem ...
egress | wizard:babylon 5 is fast becomeing better than startrek
vog | Zonum: thanks. Been somewhat strange to drop in here. Not on IRC.
paulaM | hiya SW :)
sidewind | its a real story
sidewind | hehe
Wizird | egress: its beyond ST now.
HammerD | tach: YEP:)
Spot | Egress: I Always thought it was better!
Wizird | Jkay: bah, thats next week, not tonight!
sidewind | egress: exactgly
sidewind | exactly
sidewind | sheep like
Commando | Foobar: in the Amiga ROM socket...
RexxMast | yo T-Hatch
RexxMast | :)
Wizird | So many things happened on B5 tonight.. :(
egress | spot:it is a lot less warm cuddle than ST
T-Hatch | yo RexxMast!
Zonum | 'Nite all!
RexxMast | bye zonum
vog | Anything else from anyone listening from the corners?
Commando | tekmage: I actually WON A GAME!!!
venom_ | Hiya T-Hatch! :)
turtle | wizird : any guru`s?
T-Hatch | hiya venom_: Pissed? ;)
paulaM | uh-oh
Foobar | Ack.. only 14M free on my HD.. ack! BEen downloading too
many of Sidewinder's MODs :)
acadiel | Foobar: I've got 8 MB left ;)
acadiel | re t-hatch!
Wizird | turtle: ummm ?
Foobar | Acadiel: Ack! Well, I remember just a few days ago Ihad
~140M
tekmage | Commando: only because I'm watching vog :)
T-Hatch | hehe darxide should have Cussing protection ;)
Jkay | vog: you know we'll buy whatever you produce, so don't let
us down :/ ... wow; how honest.
RexxMast | venom_mmmmmm! :)
HammerD | vog, good luck in france :)
AdamH | Aaaaaahahh. They did it....
Tachyon_ | vog? is that like German fog? ;')
caldi | vog: Any plans for a US/Canada developer meeting? :)
T-Hatch | acadiel: We dumped AMIRC...
egress | vog:give a shit load of software away with the amiga, like
imagine 3-gives them a upgrade path
acadiel | Foobar: Darn! :)
sidewind | can we get B5 tapes?
Foobar | :(
sidewind | here?
paulaM | its just nice to see people in here finally who can really
make a difference :)
Spudboy | Vog: Just a comment...if AT & VisCorp quit making Amiga's
it will be one sad day...
vog | Jkay, Hammer: thanks.... france will be interesting to
watch.
sidewind | vog: who are you? :)
paulaM | yes, dont forget the us/canada :)
NightSpd | paulaM: ditto to that sentiment.
Jkay | sidey: TOPIC
HammerD | side: /topic
vog | Spud: yes. a sad day.
Puer | howdy
gish | long live Amiga!! amen :)
venom_ | Heya Puer :)
Jkay | I would buy an AT 4000t, but at the price they want; I feel
so USED. :(
Puer | hi venom :) *hug*
vog | paula: I won't forget US or Canada.
egress | vog:if viscrop/AT stop selling amigas could i have the
rights and make them in my gargage
paulaM | yay :)
Puer | If I hadn't bought my 3000 last summer I would buy an
AT4000T
HammerD | egress :)
snapper2 | vog: Canada, how could you :)
JacobE | jkay: i totally fucking agree :)
Puer | im waiting for Power Amiga next
vog | egress: no... I'll make them in my basement. ;)
paulaM | cause i'm itching to upgrade to the new model... just put
it out & i'm there :)
Spot | COmmodore Canada MADE a SHIT load of $$$
kolla | hm.. masse mennesker her jo ..
Wizird | Someone's gonna wait a long long time.
caldi | vog: Perhaps you can attend Amiga Convention '96 in
Montreal this coming August...
TheCrow_ | hi #?
sidewind | vog: hi Carl Saggenrath :)
Tachyon_ | We need networking too. Like a netbios protocol, and
netware in addition to TCP/IP
RMerlin | caldi: What a great idea! :)
vog | Jkay: yes... prices AT had were pretty high from what I was
told.
egress | vog:i'll work for nothing :))))
NightSpd | vog: egress and I will be there with our soldering irons;)
Jkay | I fully understand the Amiga's particular market/price
quandry, but 020 machines for $700 ... I wonder if the
salesman will ask me to bend over too ..
Cappy | I'll be interested in seeing what VISCorp/AT can pull outa
the hat that will attract new users.
snapper2 | Spot: C= Canada goes down in history as the only sales
company that showed a profit EVERY quarter
vog | sidewind: hello.
Nuuz | Power Amiga, RISC Based, running system 7 OS, compaible
with the new Apple/IBM standard
caldi | RM: I bet Fred would even pay for it. :)
HammerD | vog, after you speak french in france next week, montreal
should be a breeze for you in august :)
Tachyon_ | Gee if you go to AC 96 in Montreal, you'll even get to meet
me! ;')
vog | egress, night: great, I'll make some space.
RMerlin | caldi: Might be, if we harrass him enough for it ;)
paulaM | amiga needs affordability, and a high low-end model
acadiel | bbl8r
vog | AztecC: go to france?
RMerlin | caldi: He said no to Jason, but who would say No to the
exec's Father? :)
Commando | yes ethernet and tcp/ip ...
Tachyon_ | snapper2: Of course, we do everything right!
AztecC | vog: Montreal!
venom_ | ta T-Hatch :)
Nuuz | amiga needs customers who aren't computer programmers
Jkay | vog: Sidewinder may seem like a lamer, but he's one of the
best MOD artists out there.. he has his own Aminet dir ;)
HammerD | aztecC: we'll be there in montreal august 3/4.
RMerlin | vog: Montreal, Quebec. Eastern Canada.
NightSpd | vog: seems to me an Amiga that can be used to develop third
party apps for the dedicated model might have some appeal,
assuming the set top unit is adaptable enough?
Jkay | what's the path, sidey?
AdamH | Sidewinder *is* a lamer, no doubt about that one :)
vog | AC: missed that.... sounds good to me!
RMerlin | vog: The infos are on AT's home page.
T-Hatch | bye ;)
snapper2 | vog: Don't worry, I;m not close enough to Montreal for it
to be a problem :)
sidewind | Amiga needs real men.. uh.. oops sorry thats sheep
NAN | snapper: C= Canada was the last remaining C=.
paulaM | hopefully enough set-top boxes can be sold to keep
component prices low for amigas too :)
NightSpd | sidey: baahah!
Cappy | vog: What are you're feelings on Java? Everyone else seems
to be moving that direction.
Foobar | Sheep!
sidewind | Jkay: hehe
RMerlin | Tachyon: Look for the longest ponytail, that'd be me :)
LowLight | re
sidewind | AdamH: i try to remind myself :)
Tachyon_ | RMerlin: Bah, it'd be ME
venom_ | Heya LowLight :)
RMerlin | Tachyon: They we can't miss each other :)
RMerlin | Then
AdamH | Sidewind:)
Commando | Tachyon: good idea :-)
tekmage | vog: do you ever get to Washington D.C.? if so how about
to come and talk to our users group???
HammerD | re AdamH!
RexxMast | nah it would be my sister! :)
vog | Cappy: Oh, good subject: JAVA.
LowLight | Venom_: Yawn!!!
AdamH | 'ullo there, HammerD
Commando | re lowlight
NAN | Adam..
vog | tekmage: Bill Buck's your man!
Foobar | ack! Javalert
AdamH | Excellent new B5 episode tonight
Lakris | kolla: Var det fine screenshots ? :)
AdamH | NAN!
kolla | aner ikke jeg vel
kolla | :D
Lakris | 640x512 mener du vel
venom_ | Hi RexOrient
tekmage | vog: will he come?
kolla | sikkert
HammerD | snapper :))
RexOrient | hiya's
Lakris | kolla: GURA du ?
Lakris | hahaha
sunrise | now all we need is a browser that understands VRML :)
sidewind | Jkay: my new site is
http://www.europa.com/~hansolo/cowboy.htm
Cappy | yeah JAVA...lazy fingers. ;)
kolla | lakris: heh.. jeg har jo saa mye minne da husker du.
TheCrow_ | EAGLE did what? any german speaker/reader, here? can U
translate from AT's home page?
NightSpd | sunrise: heck I'd settle for one that understands HTML ;)
AdamH | sidewind: Why're you using a Oregon based WWW server?
HammerD | commando, its slow on my P-100 with 16 meg ram.
RMerlin | Tachyon: Darn. Around 12-14 inches here :(
kolla | lakris: gurua ikke, bare .. poing .. svart.
vog | AztecC: What do you think of Java?
JacobE | adamh: which was that?
RMerlin | Tachyon: Maybe 15.
sidewind | AdamH: rents cheaper?
Tachyon_ | RMerlin: hehe, well I am older. So I had a headstart I
guess.
Fastlane | laaaaag
snapper2 | vog: Hey, thats cheating :)
NightSpd | RMerlin: Only 15 inches here.
AdamH | JacobE: Er, which of my comments are you replying to?
Silvergls | What about P'Jami has it had any further developements?
HammerD | snapper2, i assume you adore java? :)
RMerlin | Tachyon: I also cutted them three years ago.
AdamH | sidewind: That'd be a good reason :)
RMerlin | Tachyon: Or else, I'd be MUCH longer.
Tachyon_ | JAVA, great concept. overly complex implementation
AdamH | gish: August sometime
AztecC | vog: nice if you're doing stock reports and spreadsheets.
;)
HammerD | gish, august 3/4 I think. its on AT's www site
(www.amiga.de)
Phantasm1 | Could some one DCC me the Mailcap and MIME envs for AMosaic
2.0?
sidewind | hehe
Commando | HammerD: i thought that was what was required?! damn.
gish | cool
vog | Tachyon: Well said. Well said.
Tachyon_ | RMerlin: Yeah, i just ditched about 4 inches a couple
months back (end's patrol)
Commando | tekmage: i am on a role!
JacobE | adamh: the excellent b5 episode
Mr_Bill | rehi. I found my 2.04 disks and manual from when I had my
a1000, and am wiping/reinstalling my 3000
vog | AztecC: ;)
Puer | re...
AdamH | Jacobe: Oh, Interludes and examination. aka JMS does some
housecleaning
RMerlin | gish: Early August.
venom_ | Hi Mr_Bill
HammerD | vog, you'll have mega jet-lag if you are flying from
california to paris, france :)
Tachyon_ | vog: THey might as well just added a netscape API to C ;')
zygo | HammerD: Love Java or hate it, that was THE hot topic at
Internet World in Santa Clara last week.
snapper2 | I recognize Java for what it is, it's things like the Win
Kit and other native glue that cause it problems and severe
security risks.
venom_ | Hey Puer what's up?
Mr_Bill | hm, seems this used to be a superkickstart machine but now
it's got ROMs, or something.
venom_ | Hiya Bagder :)
vishart | I have an A2000 with a 2630/2632....will WB3.1 be any good
to me ?
tekmage | Commando: I need to go to bed :) I'll play you later!!!
Bagder | hi venom!
RMerlin | Hey Bagder :)
Mr_Bill | I hold down both mouse buttons when I boot and I only get a
menu where I can pick which disk partition to boot from.
TheCrow_ | did AT licensed anything to EAGLE?
Puer | hello?
Fastlane | hi Dan
Trapper | hiya Bagder
Commando | Java nfeeds to be revised...
Commando | tekmage: yea, you do! cya
NAN | vishart: It will work if that's what you are asking..
Commando | re badger..
vog | Hammer: yes, jet lag.
egress | java on PC will prob. need 16Meg min
NAN | $log off
-NACb- | DOWNS:IRCLOG closed.
HammerD | zygo, with the plethora of "plug-ins" out there, one can
easily get lost. Half of them are probably junk. Java
sounds promising, but I have yet to see a real need for it.
Plus at 28.8 it wasn't that fast.
Tachyon_ | I had hoped that JAVA would be sorta REXX like. I think
REXX would be good for that job anyway. And codeable by
mortals.
Bagder | hi trapper, rmerl, fastlane, eetu!
EightBall | Anyone using Yoyager yet?
EightBall | I mean Voyager!
Tachyon_ | hey Bagder!
Bagder | wow all friends !
vishart | net Voyeur ?
NAN | (doh!)
Fastlane | YES!
paulaM | hei eetu :)
sunrise | any web application requres ISDN to really blaze. That's a
fact of life. We need more bandwidth thatn the
infrastructure can currently supply
NightSpd | BBE.
Fastlane | YES YES YES!
Bagder | hi comm and Tachyon too
Bagder | and paulaM!
Landrius | EightBall: yep. Good for images... And that's about it.
snapper2 | parking.lot.com ?
kolla | TheCrow: as I got it, EAGLE got the license to sell A4000T,
that is eagle get motherboards etc from AT and stuff
whatever they like into the their towers aswell before
selling it off :)
NAN | sunriese: I just had an ISDN line installed for that
reason.
AdamH | NAN: So the ISDN line is actually in now?
Fastlane | <--- now has his OWN personal DOMAIN :)
Mr_Bill | cool - my 2.04 disks were still good after 3 years in the
closet. 8-)
HammerD | :)
sunrise | so Eagle will be selling a4000/pentium towers now?
Mr_Bill | Fastlane: I have 3 domains of my own. feh.
NAN | adamh: Been here for a week and a bit.. Just no damn
BitSurfer yet.
zygo | HammerD: It's also unpleasant to program but it seems to be
what people want in their web pages lately
Jkay | Fastlane; like ragtime.com? :)
egress | vog:you remmber that '1984' ad for apple, do the same thing
but against mircosoft
Fastlane | Mr_Bill: yeh.. right.
Jkay | fasty: congrats
Fastlane | Jkay: nah.. fastlane.net.au :)
AdamH | NAN: Grrr (putting up with 28.8 hrtr)
TheCrow_ | kolla: thanx, I really can't understand any german...
paulaM | hiya bagder :)
vishart | mirkosoft ?
Fastlane | you usually need to be a company or have a business number
over here..
kolla | TheCrow: hehe
vishart | Mirk O' Soft ?
vog | egress: yes... always liked that ad.
Trib | I've got my BattleDuel running in Server mode if someone
wants to try it. The address is "kanep.pr.mcs.net"
Darkheart | Rmerlin: I have been looking at E. seems interesting.
I'm not sure if there are any significant advantages over
C++. Do you know any?
NAN | adamh: 28k is slow for everthing that runs through this box
now.
HammerD | vog, do you like the macOS ? ?
kolla | HammerD: no he doesnt
vog | Commando: yes?
sunrise | trib is there a PC vversion of battleduel?
kolla | HammerD: :)
Mr_Bill | Fastlane: bofh.okc.ok.us, gothic.okc.ok.us, free.bsd.net,
do you need any more? I help run an ISP.
Fastlane | good day all round.. also got my 8MB simm..
paulaM | geez, i was on FTP a dinnertime, and it took me 25 min to
get a 200k file... and my ISP is T1!! :/ so yes, the net
itself needs an overhaul
egress | vog:most important part, the girl had great tits
AdamH | NAN: :)
sidewind | hehe
Fastlane | Mr_Bill: they're not bottom level domains though :P
zygo | fastlane: So do I :)
vog | Hammer: Did you know that I went to work for Apple after
Amiga?
RMerlin | Darkheart: You don't have to do OO stuff, and it's less
bloatted than C++.
sidewind | way to damn slow 14.4
HammerD | nan, that must be hard to wait out.. :)
kolla | HammerD: he said the MAcOS abused the 68k, so cannot like
macos
sidewind | ::sigh::
HammerD | vog, yes. didn't they ask you to re-write their kernel? :)
Puer | ah... i think i got a better connection
kolla | HammerD: thats my oppinion aswell btw ;)
Trib | Java looks cool. I want P'Jami!
NAN | hd: Every day I call the distributor to remind them to
check and see if they are in..
vishart | The Lurker's Guide ?
HammerD | nan heeh :)
venom_ | Hey Puer: Probs? welcome back. :)
Tachyon_ | sidewind: JAVA almost makes sense if the `WebPC' got
popular for use with them.
paulaM | amiga can do everythingf else... why not java too?? :)
NAN | hd: I ordered a purple one and a black one... Just to see
which one makes it first.
sidewind | then i can play
sidewind | more
sunrise | nan a purple what?
vog | Commando: yes... they exist out there somewhere.
kolla | any gifanim viewers for amiga yet?
Commando | mac os is still too much like WB1.3 ..
sunrise | I wish I had enough EE knowledge to make a zIII ethernet
card
NAN | sunrise: BitSurferPro.
sunrise | nan: ahh.
HammerD | vog, what happened to videostream?
Commando | sunrise: battleduel is really cool...
venom_ | re NightSpd
Eetu | hei kaikki, hi all !
NyxEA | mmm
NyxEA | .bak
Mr_Bill | crap, guess this machine IS a superkickstart machine. feh,
gotta do the install over again.
Jkay | sunrise: um .. Z II has plenty more bandwidth than ethernet
Trib | sunrise: I don't think so. I just got the lastest version
off on Aminet, and I want to try its TCP/IP network game.
kolla | macos is newbiefriendly but stupid, to easy to make stupid
mistakes..
Tachyon_ | NAN: How do you like the BS-Pro? and what is the server?
Tweety_ | Commando: re:macos :> :>
vog | Hammer: VideoStream, that cutting edge ITV company?
Trib | wants
NyxEA | C++ sucks or something.
NyxEA | ;)
NAN | tach: I'll let you know.
vog | Hammer: Gone. All gone.
Tweety_ | kolla: hate the way IT tells you what to do...
HammerD | vog, yep. hidden away in the northern californian
mountains.. :) do you still live there, though?
NyxEA | vog: I'm sorry. ;)
kolla | Tweety: yes
Tachyon_ | We need Z3 100Mbit e-net cards, and 45Mbit ATM.
Darkheart | re Rmerlin
sunrise | jkay: What I'm saying is a Z-II/II compatible ethernet
card that doesnt cost $300
vog | hammer: you are tuned. Yes. Sitting there right now.
RMerlin | Darn is EFnet slow tonight...
NyxEA | MacOS.....
Lorna | Hola amigas
Lorna | hahahahahahaha
NyxEA | BeOS......
Darkheart | the apparent ease of making .library files is what is
enticing me with E
RMerlin | NyxEA: The other guy also talked about SeePlusPlus earlier
;)
kolla | sunrise: I got all my 4 a2065 cards for free from a school
here, hehehehe :D
Jkay | sunrise: ah. supply n demand. if you want a cheap E-net
card, buy a used one from NAN.
HammerD | nyx, you don't like beos ??
NAN | sunrise: I told DKB make an ethernet card I can sell for
less then $200CAD. Dean said he'll see what he can come up
with.
AdamH | The Lurker's Guide is perhaos the most comprehensive source
of information on Babylon5 there is; makes for fascinating
reading
Landrius | RMerlin: You seem to say that a lot... Is EFnet EVER fast?
8-)
vog | Hammer: to continue my Apple story: They wanted me to
implement an object oriented OS that multitasked.
RMerlin | Landrius: Yes, it was two nights ago :)
Tachyon_ | NyxEA: YAY, some else not in the Be cult
sidewind | Tachyon_ it makes sense if your Bill Gates.. heh.. well its
here anyways lets hope
sunrise | Nan: Really? Cool. Shouldt be that hard. There are plenty
of stock ethernet chipsets out there
Commando | vog: does quikpack manufacture these?
Trib | 100 megabit ethernet
vog | Hammer: I figured, if they threw enough money at it,
perhaps it could happen.
RMerlin | darx split
-Darxide- | azure.acsu.buffalo.edu *.fi split 10 minutes and 56 seconds
ago (partly healed)
HammerD | vog, i guess it never happened, right?
-Darxide- | eff.org azure.acsu.buffalo.edu split 21 minutes and 57
seconds ago (partly healed)
sidewind | Tachyon_ if we all can get along and preserve bandwidtg :)
sidewind | bandwidth
Mr_Bill | I've got a 3.1 kickstart image on a DOS machine . . now HOW
can I get that to my Amiga?
NyxEA | HammerD: No. I think it's scr00d.
Landrius | RMerlin: Just the once? :o
egress | sheep
zygo | vog: I used to be an Amiga dealer in the San Francisco
area
Tachyon_ | NAN: PLEEZ tell them to put an AUI on it!
sunrise | tach: AUI???
vog | Hammer: They purchased a cray xmp48 to program it on.
NyxEA | HammerD: I take offense when they call it Amiga '96
sunrise | Mr_Bill a terminal program?
snapper2 | vog: I don't think it would take THAT much money....
Darkheart | Mr-BILL: easy. floppy disk
Mr_Bill | sunrise: no modem (or cables) to the Amiga.
Mr_Bill | Darkheart: PC format?
HammerD | nyx: yeah.
NAN | tach: He wanted to put just 10-base-t on it... I don't know
where Dean does his networking, but 10-base-t ain't too
common for networking Amiga's to Amiga's.
sunrise | Without the 3.1 WB disks the rom is worthless to you.
Mr_bill - buy the thing
Commando | sunrise: you might like FlopNET then ... :-)
HammerD | vog, did you start work on it?
vog | Snapper: yes, less would have been more.
Darkheart | mr_Bill: sure.
sunrise | commando: Flopnet?
Commando | MrBill: copy it on to a PC disk and put it on the Amiga.
paulaM | cya vnt
egress | vog:ad header for Power Amiga "Bigger Better Faster More"
vog | Hammer: yes. But the cray is a pretty unfriendly place to
code.
AdamH | NAN: Bizarrely enough, Wonder's offices used 10-base-t
rather than 10-base-2.
Commando | what is the command arguments on sc in SAS/C which compiles
and links?
Tachyon_ | NAN: no kidding, at least with an AUI, you just add
whatever transceiver your net uses. WOrks on anything.
NightSpd | Does anyone know of a CGI that supports the PUT code.
sidewind | shop till ya drop
Davo | wow, what an enlightened statement paula :-)...
kolla | :)
Tweety_ | Sidwinder: Ewww that's gross, spit it out already!
sidewind | Amiga Super Mall!
vog | Hammer: The guy in the office next to me, Sam Dicker, also
one of the original amigans...
sidewind | wall to wall products heh
RMerlin | PowerAmiga: What do you want to use tomorrow? :)
paulaM | hiya davo :)
NAN | tach: I know. The WildFire doesn't even have a standard AUI
port on it. It's just a jumper block.
sunrise | egress then they get sued by 4 non blondes.
Tachyon_ | sunrise: Yeah, a REAL ethernet connector, not &^$&#
telephone cable RJ45 nonsense
HammerD | vog, what was the amiga coded on originally? unix?
egress | sunrise
Puer | :)
egress | shit
kolla | hm.. 4 ethernetcards and a ISDN card.. all for free.. am I
priviliged or what? :)
space | when is the power amiga coming out?
vog | brought in his Amiga... to the Apple Advanced Technology
group, because he could not stand using a Mac.
sunrise | Hammer: It was written in BCPL originally
egress | really
AdamH | voy: An Atari 800? :)
NyxEA | HammerD: Eventually Sun workstations.
HammerD | sunrise, exec was in bcpl?
RMerlin | sunrise: Only the DOS was.
Davo | peaches
NyxEA | HammerD: No sure what they used before that.
Commando | sunrise: an ethernet compatable networking device i am
working on - it will not support 10M/sec ethernet
connections, but it will work :-) it will be around $50 a
node or so .. .
RMerlin | HammerD: No, only DOS. It was TripOS, written in BCPL.
sunrise | Hammer the whole effing OS in 1.0 was in BCPL
snapper2 | caldi: YOu still have that file I sent you last week ?
vog | He would hook up from the cray to his Amiga! Geeze that
made people mad around apple.
Darkheart | Nan: not you. the OTHER ones.
NyxEA | sunrise: No it wasn't.
Essej | i hate to ask, but does anyone know a channel or site to
get some relatively safe PC shareware/pd stuff?
vog | I just laughed. Man did I laugh.
sunrise | Commando why wont it support 10m/sec?
Darkheart | NAN: ever been to Comspec? (idiots)
paulaM | yay amiga :)
egress | Essej:WHAT
vog | But, anyway.... things got complicated very fast.
sunrise | Nyx: I thought it was. Sorry. What was exec written in then
68000 asm?
NAN | dark: Was there just last week.
Commando | sunrise: the floppyport can not handle such a feed.. :-)
paulaM | you know amiga is good... it makes people mad :)
venom_ | Hi Mustitask
Essej | egress: i know, but this is the only channel i know of
wotrth ts salt
Eetu | Hiya monk
NyxEA | sunrise: Exec is 100% exec assembly.
Darkheart | NAN: last time I was there I asked if some game would work
on the A4000. the sales person told me he doesn't know much
about the 'Omega'
vog | Apple didn't want to do a multitasking OS.
sunrise | Commando you're doing it on the floppy port? Ewww. Cool
idea tho. How about the paralell port?
Trib | Commando: Floppy is what.. About 50k/sec?
Multitask | Howdy
NyxEA | sunrise: Very tight and fast 68000 assembly I might add.
Tachyon_ | Essej: Bah, forget IRC for that stuff, hit Aminet
_Monk_ | Hi all
_Monk_ | Hi Eetu!
Multitask | YO Bagder
Mr_Bill | i cant even remember what the name of the text editor is .
. .
sidewind | Darkheart: alot of C= activity in that town
venom_ | Hi Monk
Multitask | Hi ya Venom
egress | Essej:you want #windows95
vog | Or, should I say, they didn't want to break all the apps
that were out there in order to accomplish that end.
Commando | Trib: yes, but there are ways around that to double and
even tripple the bandwidth by using more data lines on the
floppy..
sidewind | Darkheart: back when..
Mr_Bill | can anybody help.?
NAN | dark: Comspec used to build Amiga hardware.. Bad hardware,
but still..
Commando | sunrise: floppy is faster then paralell..
Mr_Bill | I'ts been 3 years since I used an Amiga.
Essej | egress: for old windoze systems??
_Monk_ | Hi Venom
sunrise | nyx: Hence the problem with porting exec to PPC :)
HammerD2 | Sorry guys, my damn ISP keeps hanging up on me (snapper is
that you? :)))
vog | Hammer: (did you get all that?)
Darkheart | NAN: well Comspec used to have a dedicated Amiga store.
HammerD2 | vog, no, please repeat
Puer | :)
NyxEA | sunrise: I wouldn't port it. I'd redesign it similar to
how 3DO did.
venom_ | Hi Puer :)
RMerlin | Why don't we put up some conference?
vog | Hammer!
Darkheart | Comspec used to have a cool Video Toaster on display
NAN | dark: Oh I know... :)
egress | Essej:#window1985 :))))
Puer | hiya venom :)
Tachyon_ | Commando: Hmmm serial to parallel converter basically.
instant 8x speed increase. good plan
HammerD2 | vog, my ISP is hanging up on me :(( (its prolly snapper we
use the same isp :)
sunrise | Nyx: Whatever, as long as you have functionality for the
68K based apps.
sidewind | sex
NyxEA | sunrise: I'd emulate it.
venom_ | Puer: Finally, adjusted to your server? :)
Jkay | vog: it'll be in the logs .. i'm sure ther are 10 people
here recording everything you say ... "speak into ze
mike-row-phone pleese"
sidewind | on the net. gees
Essej | egress: i think it's a bit newer than that, but oh well
AdamH | HammerD: Possibly trying to get back at you for one reason
or another :)
sunrise | If you did the amigados libraries and exec in PPC...
AztecC | HammerD: I'll email a transcript! :)
HammerD2 | nyx: well i'm old enough to have programmed lots of cobol
code in university :)
Darkheart | Trib: BattleDuel?
vog | Hammer.... oh well. It was a good story. I'm sure snapper
doesnt want to hear it again.
NyxEA | sunrise: 3DO's protected PowerPC kernel has faster task
switch times than the fastest Amiga.
space | wil there be any new amigas coming out or is it basically
dead?
RMerlin | JKay :)
kolla | anyone know how to connect two amigas with nullmodem and
AmiTCP?
HammerD2 | aztecc: ok, [email protected] (very easy email address :)
Tachyon_ | Trib: You're kane? DOH, I dinna know that.
Puer | venom, i finally found an unlagged server :)
Mr_Bill | ack is there a noclick program with "factory" wb2.04?
snapper2 | vog: I 'm busy looking for afile for you, go for it.
paulaM | space>> bah... its the second coming :)
AdamH | Nyx: Do you still own an Amiga these days?
Trib | Darkheart: Tank game from Aminet
Trib | Tachyon: Thats me!
Commando | tachyon: hmmm.. interesting idea. Under the idea of the
floppy port being 44k/sec, i can speed it up to 352k/sec
...
vog | so... who else was trying to get my attention? There was a
dealer out there?
venom_ | Puer: Very bad lags lately. :(
Darkheart | Trib looking for it now
acadiel | oh man, I'm getting rid of IBrowse and Aweb. Voyager kicks
REAR END! :-)
Tachyon_ | Trib: I just e-mailed you about using your page in a link
on my page last week,
venom_ | Hi acadiel
Commando | tach: as fast as some CD-ROM drives...
HammerD2 | vog/AztecC do you like the PowerPC?
acadiel | re venom!
kolla | acadiel: no it doesnt
kolla | acadiel: not proper html2 support
Tachyon_ | Commando: which is what many 10Mbit enet ppl get anyway
Puer | Voyager is slow...
Puer | but nice...
acadiel | kolla: it sure as heck is way faster than IBrowse ;)
kolla | acadiel: erh..
Trib | Tachyon: That was you?
kolla | acadiel: not on this box
venom_ | Puer: You like Voyager the best? I think I like Aweb.
Multitask | koalla: wrong.. it's 100% html2
Tachyon_ | Trib: Yeah. I also asked about MP 1.4. You get it yet?
kolla | Multitask: nope
Puer | i like both
kolla | Multitask: I _tried_ it
EightBall | acadiel: What kind of amy do you have?
acadiel | perfonal preference... Voyager is faster and more reliable
than any other browser I've seen. ;)
vog | Anyone else want to chat?
Puer | Voyager is way slow...
Darkheart | Ibrowse was a lot faster in a side by side comparison on my
machine
kolla | Multitask: I dont trust it
AztecC | Hammer: Sounds good, haven't looked too closely at it.
Commando | Tachyon: yea, appletalk is even slower .. :- but since
ethernet cables usually only have 4 channels, not 8.
Trib | Tachyon: I checked UUI BBS, and 1.3 is still the lastest.
(At least of two days ago it still was)
venom_ | Puer: How bout IBrowse6?
egress |
NyxEA | vog: Is it still too "late" to email Viscorp with
"suggestions"? BTW, do you remember if we ever met at C=?
(Ken Dyke)
Commando | tachyon: it would be card to do.
Puer | IB is faster...
acadiel | EightBall: A1200/030/40mhz/8MBram
vog | AztecC: Still there?
RMerlin | vog: Nyx here said that VisCorp were buying AT because you
wanted to hack at the exec source. Is it true? :)
AdamH | vog: Any ideas as to when you'll be able to announce things
(i.e. when the legal matters ar eunder control)
Foobar | IB is not faster. It uses MUI. It defaults to SLOW.
acadiel | vog: any ETA on anything?
Tachyon_ | Trib: typical, they told me a month ago it would be out the
next monday.
NyxEA | vog: I think we did, but I don't remember. Seems like you
poked your head into my cube once....but damnit if I can
remember when. ;)
NyxEA | vob: In the 1992-1994 timeframe...
vog | RMerlin: wow, good one.
HammerD2 | rmerlin: I think everyone is scared to touch it...if they
do they might screw it up :)
Darkheart | vog: who are you?
Multitask | koala: being that I don't knwo the html2 codes.. are you
SURe that what you're telling me is html2 and not nhtml or
something else?
Trib | IBrowse 6a has run great for me.
RMerlin | HammerD2: hehehe!
NyxEA | RMerlin: I never said that. ;) Quit that. ;)
DocSane | Who's tried out Voyager yet?
Tachyon_ | Commando: still, it sounds like at least a neat experiment
kolla | Multitask: YUP :)
acadiel | DocSane: I have... it rocks ;)
RMerlin | vog: he was joking of course :)
AdamH | Doc: I was on the beta group
Cappy | vog: You living around Chicago?
EightBall | acadiel: Are you using an 8bitplane screen?
vog | NyxEA: where was that?
Foobar | acadiel: [pls wake up..
kolla | Multitask: aweb does it right.. even amosaic did it right..
but not voyager
HammerD2 | nyx did you hack exec?????
Commando | vog: do you answered my question on 23pin connectors at
quikpac?
acadiel | eightball: yep.. still faster than IBrowse ;)
Multitask | koala: then write to Olli, if it's wrong, he'll fix it..
NyxEA | vog: West Chester
Darkheart | .whois vog?
NyxEA | HammerD2: Me? No.
Commando | tachyon: :-) it will be fun .. .
TheCrow_ | anyone tested any browser with series of 50 gif images?
kolla | multitask: I plan to do so
Commando | any SAS/C users out there at all?
NyxEA | vog: I seem to remember you visiting once, but I could have
imagined it.
vog | Commando: yes.
NyxEA | Perhaps for CDTV/CR stuff? Dunno.
DocSane | I downloaded it tonight. Seems to be a lot better than
IBrowse.
EightBall | DocSane: Got it going right now!
AdamH | Dark: vog is.. Carl Sassenrath
kolla | multitask: its stupid cause its in the RFC
acadiel | Docsane: I definately agree with ya there ;)
DocSane | TheCrow: Try a browser on the cache loader page on the B5
Lurkers Guide. That has a ton of gifs.
Foobar | Commando: I'm still using SAS/C
Trib | 71 users!
kolla | multitask: anyway, html3.2 is set now. :)
AdamH | vog: Interesting nick; how did you choose it?
egress | vog:the amiga will live, it has a sole
vog | NyxEA: Ah..... a Commodorian! Hmmm. Do you work for scala
now?
RexxMast | night all
Commando | vog: i must have missed it ... did you answer yes, no or
maybe? :-)
RMerlin | sole?
Multitask | kolla: it may be.. and it's always possible that it's not
in there because he can do it better/faster in V2
AdamH | egress: Sounds fishy to me
AztecC | Cappy: we both live in CA on opposite sides of the central valley.
Foobar | Darkheart: Uh.. yeah!
DocSane | acadiel: Downloads files very well, is very quick at
opening images. And it has a cache that actually WORKS!
NyxEA | vog: No, Electronic Arts (Hence the nick)
NyxEA | vog: I worked on the Envoy/AS225 stuff and on cd32's MPEG
driver.
vog | vog = VIScorp OS Guy... a secret alias.
AztecC | AdamH: vog = VIScorp OS Guy
Multitask | kolla: nope.. like I said, i don't know the code
Foobar | msg commando SC myfile.c LINK
AdamH | vog/aztec: Ah :)
Tachyon_ | I like using Voyager to browse news groups (ie the one I
just read.) though I still do Thor for all my binary
groups.
Cappy | AztecC: ahhh...bummer.
vog | Commando: yes those 23 pin connectors are out there.
venom_ | heheh :)
Puer | :
Landrius | Voyager has the slowest most annoying go back programming
I've EVER seen on ANY browser.
Puer | :)
AztecC | Cappy: ???
Darkheart | the 060 cards are starting to actually look decently
priced..... *hrmm*
xterm | Where's the guru?
xterm | ooooh
Mr_Bill | and its' been 3 years since I used Amigas, so I have *no*
clue as how to mount a PC-filesystem disk from my PC.
Nameless | Anyone know anything about the PowerUP project from Pahse
5??
acadiel | Tachyon: I wonder how I can tell voyager to look at earlier
articles
vog | Rex: Ah. ok, send me mail. Want to hear more.
DocSane | Landrius: I think that's because it reprocesses all
pictures from the cache when going back.
kolla | ordered lines
Kosh2 | Hi all!
Mr_Bill | I've got a freshly-installed A3000, 25mhz, 50mb HD, running
2.04
Darkheart | Mr_Bill: well if you have OS 3.x you don't need a clue
HammerD | vog, do you do just software? or hardware too?
DocSane | Landrius: On the plus side, unlike IBrowse, it doesn't
frag my Chip Ram all to hell.
Darkheart | mr_Bill... ahh... well get crossdos then
Mr_Bill | Darkheart: I have no idea where to get 3.x around here.
xterm | heh
Cappy | AztecC: Was just curious if any of the VISCorp folks might
be interested in the near future to come down to
Champaign-Urbana, IL to talk to CUCUG about the Amiga and
where they might be going with it.
xterm | all the Undernet weenies came here after they heard vog was
here
RexOrient | vog: will do :) atleast now I know who to direct my mail
to :-)
AdamH | vog: When did VisCorp decide that it was worth using the
existing Amiga technology instead of developing your own?
Tachyon_ | acadiel: I dunno exactly what you mean. THough turning off
Dump NNTP server option makes it useful
fallous | xterm: weenie THIS, monkey boy ;)
Multitask | kolla: hmmm... well.. like I said.. let him know.. he'll
either fix it, wait for V2 to fix it , or tell you why he
didn't do that
Puer | :)
Darkheart | Mr_Bill: NAN sells it
Trib | Mr_Bill: You need Workbench 2.1 or higher, or CrossDOS to
read PC floppies.
acadiel | Tachyon_ ahh.. I'll try that
Saiful | G'day mates
vog | Hammer: I'm an EE, but try to stick with software.
acadiel | saiful: goodday? what time is it? ;-)
paulaM | hei saiful :)
kolla | multitask: :)
Saiful | acadiel, almost nine am!
AztecC | Cappy: Talk to Flo, Bill Buck may very well if he's
available.
acadiel | saiful: ah.. it's almost 1AM ;)
vog | AdamH: they had already developed hardware.... about three
years ago. I wrote their OS.
Saiful | xterm, ouch!
Eetu | welcome back kosh
Tachyon_ | acadiel: Err Dumb NNTP server actually, DOH
acadiel | anyone know where I can get a SurfSquirrel in the US?
dcowan | Does anyone know where I can get (FTP, Telnet) Voyager. ???
paulaM | saiful>> ouch! its almost 2am here :/ :)
sunrise | adam: Colelctive caffeine
AdamH | vog: How come the change of heart?
acadiel | dcowan: I'm gonna write a mailscript for sendmail ;) and
try www.vapor.com ;)
Kosh2 | Not too many nicks I recognize anymore that aren't already
from undernet ;o)
Cappy | AztecC: Thx for the tip.
Saiful | paulaM, just came to work. :-)
Darkheart | Mr_Bill: well 2.04 is not significantly worse than 3.x
anyways. just a bit slower and uglier
Eetu | Hiya EXec
AdamH | sunrise: Too many Jolt colas I guess...
Darkheart | a lot uglier.
sunrise | Adam: Grin
Bagder | Exec!
borph | all: anyone have version 12 of MUIMASTER.lib...?
HammerD | dark: isn't 3.1 faster than 3.0 ? I think so...
xterm | paulaM: get a Zip drive!
venom_ | Heya Exec
Eetu | Exec: no, not yet
Darkheart | but there are hacks to make 2.04 look nicer
vog | AdamH: Apps. They needed apps that could fit into a
smaller amount of mem.
RMerlin | Exec: Your creator is here :)
Darkheart | Hammerd: I'm comparing 3.x to 2.04
sunrise | borph did you just install MUI 3.x?
paulaM | xterm-- i need one badly... gotta keep piling up the mods
:)
NyxEA | vog: Heh, you sure don't see useful 5K binaries on too many
other OS's these days do you?
fallous | vog: I'm waiting on you guys to hire me. I think the
letter might've got lost in the mail.
_Swatch | re all
Darkheart | I don't know if 3.1 is faster than 3.0. I'm using 3.0
Spot | vog: is it a REAL product yet (ED)? or is it still in the
Testing stages?
EightBall | Landrius: yeh it works funny sometimes
HammerD | vog, wasn't your OS small and efficient as well?
borph | sunrise... umm... a long time ago.. I have muimaster
version 11.3xxx
Exec | re Achiles, Bagder, Commando, Eetu, HammerD, RMerlin,
sidewind, turtle, venom, zygo, Tachyon (phew, that took a
while).
NyxEA | (okay, 5K is a bit extreme...but I have a term program
that's that small)
_barron | Does anyone know where I can get (FTP, Telnet) Voyager. ???
venom_ | Hi Sibbster
HammerD | Exec :)
Commando | Exec: heheheheh.
AdamH | AztecC: Feeling left out with all the questions being
chucked at vog? :)
_barron | cd ..
zygo | Good evening, exec :)
vog | NyxEA: that's the truth. I used to run motion video demos
on CDTV that were 8kB.
Spudboy | Someone should change the Topic.
Exec | RMerlin: Yeah, I think I was here earlier when my creator
signed on.
acadiel | _barron: www.vapor.com
Tachyon_ | Re exec
vog | NyxEA: (the programs that is).
venom_ | _barron: ftp.vapor.com
Multitask | barron: it's on aminet now
Puer | :) hi exec
NyxEA | vog: Yeh...heh. I have a HD video player I wrote
somewhere...It's a couple of K.
Sibbster | re everyone
Darkheart | vog: so tell us about PPC Amiga.
JosefGV | danke
Exec | re Puer
AztecC | AdamH: hehe, I know nuthing, nutthiing!
snapper2 | AztecC: So what's it really like working for the likes of
Mr Sassenrath ?
STMan | Mustang Charlie are you out there?
paulaM | it may take time to catch up... amiga users have years
worth of questions to ask :)
HammerD | nyxea: the cd32 mpeg driver was pretty small also I think?
xterm | Darkheart: maybe he doesn't give a damn about it
Darkheart | xterm: I do.
xterm | Nyx: whoa...steal that domain
xterm | Darkheart: so?
vog | AztecC: do you work for me?
Spudboy | Vog: How is it that you wrote the best OS that there ever
has been or will be?
cowgirl- | howdy all
Saiful | NyxEA, lemme guess: it uses console.device?
AztecC | vog: I thought you worked for me!
vog | paulaM: yes, years... and decades.
NyxEA | Saiful: The term used console.device and serial.device
paulaM | hi cowgirl
venom_ | Hi cowgirs-
Puer | hehehehehe
Qwerty | Hello friends!
AdamH | AztecC: Ever going to revive your C compiler? With SAS out
of the picture, it looks like you might have a clean shot
at the field :)
vog | Spot: yes. But that is the old product.
HammerD | oh no, cryo is back! :)
venom_ | Hello Qwerty
egress | vog:thanks for takeing the time for us ranters and ravers
Cryo | hi HD.
vog | AztecC: oooh. Good one. Aztec's Phoenix!
Qwerty | re venom
acadiel | jkay: thx.. why'd he de-op me?
Tachyon_ | Geez, what a crowd.
HammerD | Cryo- long time :) my WE still works great ;)
NyxEA | Saiful: The HD player yanked data off the drive and DMA'd
it right to the screen buffers, altho I never bothered to
generate useful data for it. Always wanted to make it
drive DCTV animations. Would have been cool.
snapper2 | AztecC: I've heard he's a real slave driver, takes weekends
off and makes the hired help slave away :)
Commando | vog: i think the next Amiga system should have an MPEG unit
of some sort (like the CD32 had seperatly)..
paulaM | vog>> really... C= never gave much of a damn... even their
alleged 800 number never picked up for me in all the years
i tried to call it :/
Jkay | CRYO? jesus h christ on a pogo stick.
vog | egress: hey, core group.
Commando | vog: add an e to seperately.
cowgirl- | SUNRISE ?
Cryo | hey, if Carl can show up out of the woodwork, so can I ;-)
Qwerty | Venom: arent you a member of a famous crackers group?
sunrise | I'm here. I'm just... overwhelmed
fallous | cryo: who let you out of the cage?
Kosh2 | re Cryo
AztecC | AdamH: My bandwidth is limited at the moment, but I have
considered calling Manx and see if they'd let me have it!
:)
HammerD | cryo :)
vog | Commando: did someone pay you to say that? It's my
favorite line!
HammerD | cryo, I remember when you used to kick me all the time,
when i was a newbie :)
venom_ | Qwerty: Crackers group?
Commando | sunrise: everyone wants sunrise .. in the #wetsex, etc.
channels :-)
paulaM | commando>> that'd be cool... built in anti-flicker too
AdamH | Aztec: It's not as if they're doign much with it at the
moment :)
acadiel | So nobody has seen a vendor with the SurfSquirrel in the US
yet? ;)
Commando | vog: hehehe ... :-)
Jkay | Cryo kicked everyone all the time. Dont feel special, HD.
fallous | heh
HammerD | JK :)
Qwerty | Venom: yeah, fairlight, melon design?
Cryo | heh
AdamH | Remind me, who was Cryo? My memory doens't stretch that far
back :)
AztecC | AdamH: Yeah, not since I sold my interest! :((
Darkheart | Commando: how about a read-write optical drive too?
vog | paula! how funny, I used to call the 800 number too, and
when it didn't pick up, I would call Irving to complain.
Kind of silly, but every bit helped.
Darkheart | everyone needs an optical drive
Cryo | who _was_ Cryo? geez
Cryo | I'm not dead
Commando | paulaM: anti-flicker is not good when things move .. but do
you mean in the MPEG playback or the system?
AdamH | Cryo: :)
cowgirl- | back
Eetu | Querty: Melon Design ? Crackers group ?
fallous | adamh: he's best known for calling Cyclone a bunghole
during the CBM auction conference. oh yeah, he wrote scsi
shit for the WE as well. ;)
venom_ | Qwerty: Nope, I got a liking for venom and Spiderman, my
son uses the nick spidey. :)
JosefGV | haha
Cryo | Bill Coldwell.. WarpEngine, CSA 40/4 Magnum, CSA 12 Gauge..
Cryo | etc etc
Commando | darkheart: that would raise the price up a bit..
NyxEA | vog: So is the suggestion box at Viscorp still open? ;)
Cryo | general neat guy
Commando | darkheart: ah.. who gives a crap..
AdamH | fallous: The first I can sympathise with :) The latter
could have hs a lower price tag
Jkay | AdamH: cryo ... amiga oldbie, now passed beyond the Rim.
RMerlin | NyxEA: Getting more hopefull about our baby so? ;)
HammerD | cryo, damn that WE 060 hasn't come out yet! :)
vog | AztecC: Are you planning a PPC version of Manx?
paulaM | vog>> ha... 1-800-247-9000... i still remember it :) how
sad is that?? :/ :)
Cryo | JK, no.. we're Rangers now.
Qwerty | eetu: okay lets say then Amiga Phreaks, thats better?
JacobE | jkay: swallowed by the dark side
Cryo | We're forming at the edge of the Rim for the New Amiga
Tachyon_ | Oh THAT Cryo! Hi Bill
NyxEA | RMerlin: You know, me. Mr. Cynical.
sunrise | Docsane probably not. Is a viscorp person on the channel at
the moment?
AdamH | Doc: They like peanut butter is the only thing I can think
of
acadiel | DocSane: you should see the movement in FIDOnet AMIGA ;)
vog | NyxEA: sure. Email though.
NyxEA | Cryo: Wouldn't that be Shadows? ;)
Cryo | heh, hi tachyon
RMerlin | NyxEA: Sorry, I must have some McCoy in my blood these days
;)
sunrise | Cryo Grin
caldi | Cryo: So, you need a new ad "WE will WE will - rock you."
:)
NyxEA | vog: Okie dokie.
fallous | cryo: I musta missed that memo
Cryo | nyx, shhh
AztecC | vog: Not likely, there's several in the works already!
paulaM | i left mail at the elaffont box too
AdamH | Caldi: When was the last time you made a good one then, eh?
Eetu | Qwerty: yep ;)
Darkheart | vog: is Phase5 working *with* AT on PPC amiga, or as some
rumours have it 'in spite of' AT.
RMerlin | caldi: Since it's so crowdy, why don't you take the
opportunity of advertizing your FIne Product [tm]? :)
xterm | Cryo is part of the Amiga Special Forced
Qwerty | any AMIGA and PSX phreaks here?
xterm | Forces
DocSane | By the way, does anyone here know what a "proxy server" is
and why I should set one on my web browser?
caldi | AdamH: Um, last week. cleared the room...
RMerlin | Jkay: This is The Gathering, we are going back :)
vog | Snapper: what was that?
Commando | jkay: !!!!! i am coming with you!!! don't let them take
your fingerprints and put computer chips in your head!
AztecC | Darkheart: :)
fallous | xterm: I thought that was Special Ed
Darkheart | DocSane: no you don't need one
Cryo | Carl, get me, Steve Kelsey, Ken Dyke, you, Dale, and
whomever else we can coax into it.. to design new Amiga
_hardware_ and OS.
sunrise | Docsane dont bother with them. THey'll mess you up
Cryo | heh
xterm | fallous: oh yeah
Saiful | /kick #amiga noyb AUTOAWAY
Multitask | Qwerty: nope.. no one here uses Amigas
Tachyon_ | Cool, Cryo, Kelsey, and vog on the new Amiga team. Do it!!
kolla | multitask: now.. sendt him a mail with clips from rfc1866
;)
Davo | MEOW!
vog | mramiga: yes.
Davo | peaches
RMerlin | 37th kill...
Commando | HAHA..
JosefGV | vog: It would be great if you would visit us here
occasionally to keep us updated :) It's encouraging to see
you here.
mramiga | vog good
Multitask | kolla: hehe..
AdamH | Persumable not Dale Larson unles you want the "Wild Thang"
Amiga :)
Tachyon_ | DocSane: If you can get to any web sites, you don't need a
proxy
fallous | cryo: could you stop messing with kali long enough to
actually get some stuff done? ;)
Cryo | no Larson
Cryo | no Jackson
vog | Jose: glad it helps.
JosefGV | though the noise/signal ratio seems to be somewhat high at
times :)
HammerD | kelsey rules
fallous | vog: although next time try /server innernet.org ;)
venom_ | Hiya ushooz
Kosh2 | Jeez, this is channel is every bit as noisy as it was when
I first joined almost 4 years ago
vog | Cryo: the smaller the team the better the OS.
AdamH | Fallous: Nah, don't keep them all to yourselves :)
Mordo | Hey Carl, glad to see ya
Laire2 | darkheart: that was BEFORE Pedro Tschernobyl started his
dirty tricks
NyxEA | Cryo: I'll only agree if it's Objective-C and DO based. ;)
RMerlin | vog: As long we get the Creme de la crme to work on it.
Saiful | Kosh, what did you expect?
HammerD | laire: haha.
Puer | :)
vog | Mordo: thanks
Kosh2 | Glad I have a scrollback buffer.
Darkheart | Laire!!
fallous | adamh: they're mine, ALL MINE! muhahahahaha
Cryo | vog, yes.. but I think we've all learned a lot from that
lil' ol' 256k kernel ;-)
kolla | hm...
NyxEA | Anyone mentions C++ for it and I'd kill them.
paulaM | and keep ibm lamers away from amiga... expecially pc-jr
ones ;)
Cryo | nope.. _MUST_ be Obj-C
AdamH | fallous: until xterm /kicks them anyway :)
Kosh2 | Saiful: I don't know, I've spent time on sabatical on
undernet ;o)
NyxEA | Cryo: 13k. 8000 lines of code.
Cryo | this is the 19's
xterm | someone shuttle vog over to the Innernet
Cryo | er 90's
NAN | $quit
RMerlin | NyxEA: How about E? :)
HammerD | nyx, exec is 13k?
fallous | erf
Exec | Bagder: Did you get my response to your dancer-list EMail ?
fallous | E..huhuhuh
Qwerty | pualua-m: PC-jr?
Saiful | Kosh, oh yeah, that's the one where nobody says anything,
right?
NyxEA | HammerD: Actually, that was the 1.3 size. I think its
larger now. I'd have to look.
Saiful | Bagder's got a dancer-list?
Jkay | GROWL ... bill sydnes grrrr
Nuuz | the PC-jr was cool
Ezy | JAVA!!! buahaha.. (evil laugh)
NyxEA | 24k maybe?
Jkay | KILL!
Commando | nyxEA: i have the 3.1 rom file list :-)
DocSane | Has there been any news from Pase 5 about the PPC project?
kolla | anyone know if cygnusEd can edit files through the
rexxport, without opening the gui?
Foobar | Nuuz: The Tandy1000!
Saiful | mramiga, just another net, no thanks.
AdamH | Out of interest, why was Sydnes hired?
Darkheart | Laire: is Phase5 still commited to PPC Amiga?
vog | Those of you in the talent pool out there: if you are
serious, please email me. I'll hold if for THE DAY.
HammerD | syndes was evil
Saiful | Somebody change the topic, please?
NyxEA | Hold on, I'll go look.
Trib | If you write it in Java, then Mac and Win people can use
it..... :)
acadiel | heh.. I hit the "read newsgroup list" button ;)
mramiga | saiful alot better then thisone :)
Cryo | exec rocks, even after all this time
sunrise | Nyx: Would it be possible to write 'work alike' libraries
that are native ppc for the dos-supplied libs?
Kosh2 | Saiful: Not at all - people talking there all the time.
larger signal/noise ratio though occasionally ;o)
NyxEA | Cryo: It beats the shit out of Be's kernel.
Jkay | Medhi Ali brought him in to reduce the production cost of
the A500 .. the 600 is the result
Commando | NyxEa: the Exec library,etc. are all around 100k.. work
bench is 70k..
Spot | Hammderd: ohhh 'common the 600 was the BEST :)
acadiel | i jet peple... later
RMerlin | Exec does it's job in a damn efficient way, not trying to
be fancy for no rrason, not kludged with crap.
NyxEA | Commando: Exec is most certainly NOT 70k. It's only ~8000
lines of assembly code.
Saiful | Kosh, yeah right :-)
fallous | Nyx: quick, hit vog with the "unbundle the damned OS"
argument before Laire exerts his evil influence. ;)
HammerD | rmerlin, you think exec ported to PowerPC would be just as
good?
Ezy | somewhat, altho exec also likes to crash during development
:-)
gish | c-ya
Laire2 | Darkheart: sure:-)
RMerlin | HammerD: If done WELL, of course!
Kosh2 | Saiful: I did say 'occasionally' ;o)
Cryo | hey, come on now.. let's not bring this party down by
talking about certain ex-Commdore employees
vog | 13K plus.
Nuuz | oooh yeah, a Tandy 1000, 640k, 2 360k drives, a dot matrix
printer, the dream system (of 1984)
Saiful | Kosh, once in a violet moon? :-)
Commando | NyxEA: 23 pops out of my mind ..
vog | Of course, you could take out ROMWACK.
Mordo | vog: Can something similar to the "SCARAB" that Dave Haynie
was working on at CBM become a reality?
vog | And the printf stuff.
Kosh2 | Saiful: Violent moon more like ;o)
RMerlin | vog: It's now SAD :)
AdamH | I heard that CAOS had a few problems? Other than being
unfinished, what were they? (Just curious)
Commando | vog: i like ROMWACK...
NyxEA | Commando: Sounds about right.
Darkheart | laire: is there any information available on progress?
Saiful | Kosh, hahhah, that thought crossed my mind, too. :-)
kolla | lynx rules
NyxEA | vog: I think that got nuked and replaced with SAD for 3.0
didn't it?
vog | RMerlin: what is sad.
Nuuz | God bless Jack Tramiel - the C-64 king
RMerlin | vog: The new debugger since 3.0.
Kosh2 | Saiful: So I guess mama pretty much died out here?
Commando | NyxEA: if the Amiga 500 was boot up i would be able to
print the entire ROM directory listing up ... :-)
Qwerty | thanx exec, ill find my own door:-)
Qwerty | Offcourse I'm using Windows9@$#^...............(CLICK)
NyxEA | vag: It's a new debugging interface Sinz added for 3.0
RMerlin | vog: System AMiga Debugger or something like that.
vog | Commando: No, I didn't mean take it out. I meant that's
part of the 13K.
NyxEA | vag: Let you patch into it and debug over the net...was
cool.
cowgirl- | not all of us use amiga
cowgirl- | that's the greatest part
NyxEA | babylon5> ls -l *.ld.strip
NyxEA | -rw-r--r-- 1 kcd 14560 Mar 5 1995 exec.ld.strip
Commando | NyxEA: how do you use SAD? Never figured it out ... it
sits there and sends SAD?SAD? over the nullmodem
RMerlin | vag: You should really get the 3.1 NDK one of these days :)
paulaM | i love my amiga :)
HammerD | nyx: wassat
Jkay | exec
Nuuz | amiga os needed to be more ROM dependent, i hate accessing
the disk so it can figure out what to do when you ask it to
load something
NyxEA | hammerD: Exec's .o file effectively.
Laire2 | dark: expect a BIG announcement this month
Commando | vog: oh :-)
RMerlin | vog: You should really get the 3.1 NDK one of these days :)
NyxEA | oops, vog. ;)
vog | RMerlin: from where? NDK?
HammerD | rmer: if AT would release it...
NyxEA | Vag...heh...been playing with the PSX too much.
RMerlin | vog: Native Developper Kit.
Jkay | NUUZ: 'resident'
AdamH | Nyx: Hope you don't want to work with/for him now :)
HammerD | nyx: what's the psx kernel like
RMerlin | vog: AT should have them, tho they ain't available yet.
Commando | Vog: what about something like Snoopdos with the next
AmigaOS update?
NyxEA | HammerD: It sucks rocks.
HammerD | laire, delays ?
RMerlin | vog: It's always "real soon now".
kolla | snoopdos is a must
Nuuz | residential, commercial, whatever.
ushooz | NyxEA: Better than the Saturn thoe :)
Darkheart | Laire2: hope so!
Tachyon_ | Laire2: BIG good, or BIG bad? ;')
HammerD | commando, snoopdos rules.
NyxEA | ushooze: Yeah, but with the Saturn you can at least throw
out the OS and write your own. YOu can't with the PSX.
Mordo | Are shadows for the workbench windows possible?
Darkheart | hey anyone wanna design a CPU card switcher for the A4000?
RMerlin | vog: Or ask anyone here to ship youu the Autodocs V40.
Commando | hammerd/kolla: i agree fully..
Laire2 | Tachyon: well...guess what
Trib | Shadows are evil!
kolla | anyone checked out html3.2 ?
Jkay | nuuz: ... um .. make the commands you MOST USE resident in
RAM .. no disk access.
ushooz | nyxEA: Very true. I guess a co like EA has the resources to
do that :)
AdamH | vog: Reckon AT/VISCorp will be able to procduce a low cost
PPC equivalent of the 1200?
NyxEA | Tachyon: Sell your Amiga right now, while it's still worth
something. ;)
Achilles | Anyone know if the ASDG Ethernet Card will handle 10baseT?
vog | Attention: an idea I would like to bounce around: What do
you think about posting all this developer stuff on the
net?
NyxEA | ushooz: We _could_, doesn't mean we have. ;)
Commando | vog: the autodocs should not be charged to obtain ... ..
fallous | vog: brilliant
RMerlin | vog: All the way!
Darkheart | VOG: YESYESYES!!!!!!!!!
NyxEA | vog: Very good idea.
Darkheart | oops
AdamH | vog: Yes. Good idea
JosefGV | VOG: YES
RMerlin | vog: That's what we need: DEVELOPPERS.
NyxEA | vog: Be is doing that now.
Mordo | vog:Yes, please!
Kosh2 | vog: That idea was tossed about by AT too, and it SHOULD be
done
Tachyon_ | NyxEA: Never, it's always worth something to me at least
Darkheart | do I get kicked now?
mramiga | Vof VERY GOOD IDEA
Achilles | vog: Yes
Commando | vog: YES!
ushooz | Vog: Please do
JosefGV | Vog: it can't hurt in ANY way. It will only bring MORE
developers
mramiga | er vog
vog | In other words: everything is out there... dynamic,
updated, current.
RMerlin | NyxEA: A bright idea of Be I'd say.
paulaM | sounds cool to me :)
Liam2 | vog: just do it :)
NyxEA | Tachyon: It was sarcasm in light of Laire's comment. ;)
RMerlin | NyxEA: I really like the way they instaled theyr Web site.
HammerD | vog: oui (getting your french ready :)
Multitask | I say NO... JUST KIDDING
kolla | hm.. what did vog say ?
NyxEA | RMerlin: Their ONLY one, too. ;)
Darkheart | hey... I suggested that. do I get royaltees?
vog | Sounds like you like it.
Darkheart | ;)
HammerD | laire: you can say "ja" :=)
RMerlin | NyxEA: Eh.
kolla | what?? what??
Puer | hehehehehe :)
Tachyon_ | vog: GREAT idea. GIVE away all Amiga developer tools. It'd
only help Ami
kolla | tell me!! :)
Darkheart | Vog YES!!
Mordo | vog: I could actually start my own development on stuff and
have my own support with everything out there...
Puer | yay :)
Commando | i am having a hard time spelling tonight ..
paulaM | amiga needs more developers... too many are sitting on
their hands since C= dive-bombed :(
RMerlin | vog: AT are already supposed to put up an FTP site.
zygo | vog: As a former Commodore developer/dealer, I'd like to
see as much information as we can get.
Nuuz | Amiga needs to be compatible with the industry standard of
today.....the Sony PSX
Saiful | Wow I'm lagged.
vog | Liam2: (actually, I was trying to get VIScorp to post
sources for all the devs an libs too, but they said NO. )
RMerlin | vog: but as usual, things are progressing VERY slowly :(
NyxEA | Nuuz: No, it doesn't.
Commando | *EPIXadmin* *** ATTENTION.. BOTH SERVERS ARE GOING DOWN
IMMEDIATELY *** <-- er... ?
NyxEA | Nuuz: The playstation and Amiga have NOTHING in common.
ushooz | Nuuz: Go home :)
mramiga | Nuuz: th3e amiga is not a games machine
AztecC | vog: While you're at it you might want to see if anyone
wants the job administering it, hehe!
Eetu | COmmando: change servers
NyxEA | vog: To the OS itself?
Saiful | Commando, you lose. :-)
JosefGV | well I don't know about the source to ALL the libs, we
don't want 200 custom OS's out there :)
Liam2 | vog: aghrrr... why not?
Nuuz | the amiga of tommorow is not necessarily the amiga of
yesterday
Puer | We need new Amiga's and support... so I can open my damn
Amiga shop :)
DocSane | MrAmiga: As is evidenced by the stunning dearth of games
for it.
RMerlin | Posting OS source would be a bad idea.
NyxEA | vog: I shudder to think of Jim Drew getting ahold of OS
source. ;)
RMerlin | I can see all those unsupported hacks appearing... Eeeek!
Kosh2 | re oleg
vog | NyxEA: that was the idea. A lynx kind of deal.
Spot | quit
NyxEA | vog: Ah.
ushooz | Nuuz: neither is the PSX
Achilles | Nyx: hehehehe...
mramiga | Doc: games are jsut games
JosefGV | Now most of the libraries would not be a bad idea.. but
keep intuition, exec, and such all private :)
Saiful | There goes irc.epix.net.
oleg_ | re
paulaM | re... this is no time for my server to dump me :/
Puer | re paula
AdamH | Vog: When's proper resource tracking going to make its way
into AmigaDOS?
DocSane | MrAmiga: True, but most people would rather run them than
a word processor or a rendering engine.
Darkheart | posting OS source would be a cool idea. IMHO
oleg_ | best SUCKS :)
venom_ | re paulaM
NyxEA | vog: I suppose that's good and bad.
ushooz | try irc.neosoft.com 6665 to 6667
caldi | vog: Unless it was an organized effort, it could end up
going in to many incompatible directions...
paulaM | hi puer & venom
Nuuz | try mindijari.dal.net 6667
Darkheart | but OS source is not necessary... just the technical
information,. RKM's etc
Commando | ahhh.. back..
NyxEA | vog: As long as there was some group of people "in charge
of it", coordinating development and releases, it'd be
okay.
NyxEA | vog: Like how NetBSD and such are handled.
NyxEA | vog: Otherwise it could turn into a mess.
Nuuz | is amiga selling well in germany?
vog | NyxEA. You got it.
JosefGV | Nyx: true
Ezy | what? thinking of turning amigados into a public project?
vog | But, that option is history now. So don't get your hearts
set on it.
NyxEA | vog: If nothing else, releasing it would probably help to
clean it up a bit.
NeoDinian | RMerlin: The channel is all F^#ked up now.. :(
snapper2 | caldi: But next you you could be crying for it.
Kosh2 | re Jkay
snapper2 | caldi: But next year you could be crying for it.
Commando | Workbench source would be nice >:-)
Kosh2 | Jkay: (just noticed you were here too ;o)
Nuuz | lots of amiga games and applications on the software
shelves over in old Deutchland, i suppose
NyxEA | vog: The downside would be keeping people from hacking the
OS to suit their own product's needs... (like Emplant,
etc.)
mramiga | a re writen workbench that multitasks would be nice
JacobE | nyx: put jeremy in charge of it :)
RMerlin | AztecC: Too many cooks spoils the meal.
AdamH | RMerlin: Broth. Not meal :)
fallous | Nyx: this is starting to sound suspiciously like a
discussion we had about future AmigaOS developed ala Linux
;)
RMerlin | AdamH: In french, it's the "sauce" we say :)
Laire2 | vog: so you basicly say...Viscorp gives you a present to
shut up that they have no interest working on own Amiga
"computer" development....is that a good interpretation ?
Saiful | OzDuDe, why put Java in the OS?
RMerlin | NyxEA: That's also my fear.
Nuuz | its only been a year and a half since escom bought it,
surely they have started mass production of their low end
unit
NyxEA | vog: Perhaps someday Viscorp could make the source
available when they no longer need it, or wish to provide
it for educational use.
Commando | Saiful: Why not just write the ENTIRE OS in java??? :-)
Tachyon_ | JAVA in the OS, DOH!
Mordo | vog: Keep OS development within VIScorp/AT, but release
everything needed for application development to Amiga
public.
Commando | saiful: that would really speed up operations by -%32329327
..
vog | This is getting somewhat difficult to keep up with.... any
way to switch to a moderated channel?
JosefGV | duh
OzDuDe | Saiful: becaus MS are doing it and it's truly "cross
platform" amongst other things. The Amiga is also a perfect
deveopment platform for Java Apps as it is.
RMerlin | vog: Could be arranged.
Commando | vog: maybe create a new one ..
vog | Laire: no one buys me like that.
AdamH | vog: I'd recommend opening up a new channel for that
mramiga | oof
RMerlin | I'll tell Darx to not touch it, wait.
vog | RMerlin: thanks.
Jkay | ok .. who's moderating?
Bagder | rmerl: you change mode instead
vog | Whew. That was getting crazy.
JosefGV | Jkay: you go :)
RMerlin | Bagder: I did.
Bagder | rmerl: status 20+ ppl are allowed to change it
Jkay | oh hell .. it's 2am; I'd normally do it, but I'm bushed
vog | Ok, what now?
RMerlin | We need a question taker.
RMerlin | Who wants to take the question?
vog | RMerlin: I'll take it if you like.
Laire2 | vog: sorry..but that would be the most logical explanation
Jkay | vog: normally, someone would volounteer to take a queue of
names, and then announce "who's next" to ask a question
RMerlin | vog: Would be easier to have one person getting them and
submitting them.
fallous | Cryo has a well-known track record for being patient and
understanding with questioners. let him do it
RMerlin | vog: Makes less traffic, and easier for you to manage.
vog | ok. Just let me know. Never done this.
Laire2 | rmerl: haha:-))
JacobE | acutally, this would all be better if there was an
announced conference/etc. kind of rude to just takeover
#amiga like this
vog | Pretty cool how the channel went quiet.
zygo | Shouldn't a seperate channel be set up for a conference so
that this channel isn't interrupted?
Fastlane | fallous: hahaha.. ala bunghole?
fallous | fastlane: why yes, that was just the incident I had in mind
HammerD | only operators can talk now.
vog | That is what I was thinking. Perhaps we should move off
frequency slightly.
Multitask | I agree with zygo
mramiga | #viscorp
venom_ | zygo is right. :)
RMerlin | zygo Has a good idea.
Jkay | sounds good.
Greebo | yep, I agree with that too.
venom_ | Hi Greebo
Jkay | split off, and join #viscorp
SmknDHerb | thanks zygo :)
Greebo | hi venom
vog | QSY.
Greebo | cheers zygo
zygo | You're welcome, guys :)
RedDomino | Might you know where I could get the src to rz/sz?
RedDomino | What is Exec?
Commando | arggg. wrong channel
HammerD | vog: type /join #viscorp
mramiga | vog join #viscorp
kolla | something wonderfull
Exec | RedDomino: It is me, and also the root of the Amiga OS.
AdamH | Numbers in #viscorp are slowly climbing...
kolla | too bad.. still no tag in html3.2 :/
RedDomino | Hrmm....vog = programmer with Viscorp, I take it?
Tachyon_ | kolla: why?
HammerD | red: vog = original amiga team member, he wrote exec, the
amiga's kernel.
Eetu | kolla: I think is in 3, but haven't seen it
implemented anywhere :(
HammerD | red: now he works for VISCorp.
RedDomino | Now I follow.
kolla | hm.. I read from w3.org here .. no
Darkheart | who is going to moderate #viscorp?
Eetu | kolla: oh.
Tachyon_ | wouldn't be really usefull anyway. Since you cannot
choose the typeface used by the browser, it's results would
sidewind | WOOF!
kolla | Tachyon: well...
Eetu | Tach: well used with discretion it would be nice.
amino | Tach: Use a fixed-width font
RedDomino | SideWind: That newest mod from Aminet is nice! ;)
Eetu | Tach: Of course some would produce uuugly pages with it.
Foobar | Justlike?
Tachyon_ | amino: that's the point. You cannot force the client
browser to use a particular font.
sidewind | RedDomino: thanks
kolla | Tachyon: fixed size in tabs and an option to choose the
length of it
Saiful | Umm, we lost +m?
Eetu | Saiful : on purpose. the conf is on #viscorp
Saiful | Eetu, goodie.
kolla | Tachyon: hehe.. with .. explorer you can =)
kolla | Tachyon: windings is a cool font :)
Tachyon_ | kolla: explorer BAH
Saiful | Eetu, thought that it's be a bit stupid to stop the chatter
altogether just because of some conference.
sunrise | Eetu what conf?
Eetu | sunrise: Carl Sassenrath there
kolla | Tachyon: I know .. thats what I mean, put in the tag that
let you decide the font for explorer, and let it point to
use windings, hehe =)
Tachyon_ | kolla: And I'm not positive Explorer implements it yet
either, I just think they proposed it
kolla | no other browser will care but explorer..
Achilles | Hmmm... 52 users in #viscorp now...
HammerD | join #VIScorp !!!! :)
Tachyon_ | kolla: Yeah you could really screw with Explorer people.
Serves them right too
AdamH | 55
_Swatch | Achilles: 55! :)
kolla | hehe :)
Achilles | Swatch: Yep...
Cappy | whee! Conference time! GA ;)
_Monk_ | bbl
HammerD | shit i gotta work tomorrow :(
AdamH | Too many channops screw up the conf :)
New channel: #VIScorp
* | _Swatch thinks that with AztecC working for VIScorp,
there'll be no more updates to SAS C... ;)
damH\#amiga | Eeek. Long, long line from Nyx.
vog | Ok. Well, actually, the JAVA reply is a long one.
vog | I see we lost Merlin.... Is he coming back?
JacobE | vog: i think he'll try, i know he wanted to ask you a
question :)
vog | Ok.
vog | So, on to JAVA, or to Nyx questino?
JacobE | vog: ozdude would like to know about JAVA
vog | (I kind of like that typo... questino. Would be a good
product name. No?)
-- | kscully3 is now known as kscully.
vog | Ok. JAVA is important.
vog | But, JAVA is by no means a success yet.
vog | I've been coding interpreters longer than OSs.
vog | VideoStream (my last company) had an interpreter at its
core. It was called MIME.
vog | Not the MIME you are thinking of.
vog | Machine Independent Multimedia Environment.
vog | So does that sound a bit like JAVA.... it should.
vog | I wrote that interpreter back in the CDTV days... it was a
variant on another language of mine, an fully object
oriented
vog | language called ABL.
vog | The problem with ABL was one of performance.
vog | What I needed for CDTV whas real-time scripting.
vog | So MIME was born... actually about the same time Gosling
was creating OAK, the proto for JAVA.
vog | The concept behind MIME or JAVA is very good.
vog | A virtual machine model that can run on anything.
vog | Just think, you can put code on the net or on a CDROM that
would be machine independent.
vog | Problem is, software these days tries to solve everone's
problems.
vog | It does not focus on just one element or domain of a
solution.
vog | It tries to be general purpose.... and as such it become
brittle.
vog | It gets complicated, hard to understand, hard to
maintain....
Nyx | Like C++? ;) (Sorry, couldn't resist)
vog | Ok, so back to JAVA.
vog | Yes, like C++!!!!
vog | (I have another complete story about C+- at apple... for
some later date).
vog | The bottom line:
JacobE | queue: rmerlin, nyxea, mramiga, silvergls, mordo, sunrise,
lostman, kosh, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot
vog | If JAVA brings apps, we will see to it that JAVA is on the
system. But,
Cryo | C++ sucks
vog | I am not so sure yet.
vog | Take a look at the rise of HTML.
vog | Look at the rate of change.
vog | If a language does not gather speed within a year or two
C/#viscorp) | or any of a number of MicroSoft products!
vog | it is probably doomed to a struggle. Smalltalk is a
perfect example.
Nyx | Or Objective-C (sigh)
vog | (sorry for the typos, I am typing all this on an A1200, and
my hands are not used to it).
vog | So that is the way of languages. JAVA has a few more
months. But
JacobE | vog: no problem :)
vog | if you compare it to HTML, it has only accomplished .001
percent of the acceptance and widespread use.
vog | I don't think it was quite the right solution. What the
net
vog | needed was something much simpler. Something like my old
MIME.
vog | Oh well, that's history. GA
JacobE | queue: rmerlin, nyxea, mramiga, silvergls, mordo, sunrise,
lostman, kosh, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8
JacobE | rmerlin: your turn :)
RMerlin | vog: AT recently fired a lot of employes. I heard it's
standard procedures before the new owner comes in, so they
can hire back who they want.
RMerlin | vog: Now, do you think that some current VisCorp employes
(like you) who already knows a great deal about the Amiga
might step in and take an aactive part in direct Amiga R&D?
GA.
vog | Yes... I think that will happen. I don't know what VIScorp
has promised AT and its employees. But I don't
vog | think we can endure having too many chiefs running the
show.
vog | Does that answer your question?
JacobE | queue: nyxea, mramiga, silvergls, mordo, sunrise, lostman,
kosh, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*
RMerlin | vog: Yes, Thanks :)
JacobE | nyx: you're up :)
Nyx | (I'll paste my Q. this in digestable chunks)
Nyx | oops
Nyx | It would seem that AmigaOS would lend itself well to
building cheap
Nyx | Internet terminals that just so happen to be able to use
hard disks
Nyx | and run applications available via a cable/Internet
connection. It
Nyx | would seem though that you would need more power than a
680x0 processor
Nyx | could provide if you want to do Web related stuff, and thus
a low-end
Nyx | PowerPC system would need to be developed, or alternately,
custom
Nyx | hardware acceleration for things such as JPEG. Do you see
an Amiga
Nyx | based "set top" system as more of an Internet terminal
which acts
Nyx | amazingly like a home computer, or as only an interactive
TV device,
Nyx | or both? It would be nice to see an affordable low-end
"computer"
Nyx | market re-emerge, even if it's not sold as a "computer" per
se.
Nyx | P.S. Would you agree that adding multi-processor support
would be
Nyx | nearly impossible? I've gotten into that argument more
times than
Nyx | I care to think about, and want it settled once and for
all. ;)
Nyx | GA
Phase5 | firing Pedro Tschernobyl would be my first action if i
would be Viscorp CEO...:-)
-- | Phase5 is now known as Laire.
Laire | personal opinion
vog | Ok...
vog | Yes, the box is underpowered with a 680x0.... but... the
cost of the box is critical....
Nyx | (You need $15 PowerPC 602's or something) ;)
vog | I think it will be much more like an internet "terminal" (I
don't like that word because that is a limitation of HTML,
not the internet)
vog | but also a simple computer device for sending messages,
playing games, reading news, etc.
vog | Remember, most of our target audience is consumers, not
producers.
vog | ... scrolling back...
Nyx | (I.e., not just a trackball hand-held controller with a
game console looking box, I'd assume)
vog | Affordable... that is the correct word. Yes, if you can
get a box under $300 US, something
vog | magic happens. The US is primed for this to happen.
Everything you
vog | watch on TV now runs a www.name.com during its
presentation. If you watch
vog | the news here locally, every channel is pushing its web
site constantly...
Nyx | Yeah, as if 80% of the people in the US are connected or
can afford to be. And they can't, which is sad.
vog | if you watch the net news, ABC, NBC, CBS, all of them do
the same.
vog | I've got a little story, short....
vog | I've got some masons working on the rockwork for my house.
vog | They've been working on it for several weeks now, and we've
gotten to chatting.
vog | They asked what I did.
vog | I simply told them: "You know that www stuf you see on TV
every night? Ever wonder what it was?"
vog | Immediately, smiles. All of them. They want the box. They
don't own computers.
vog | So, if our marketing can reach them, we might have a chance
to succeed.
vog | Did I cover your entire question?
Nyx | Yeah, except for the SMP part. ;)
vog | *Also, am I taking too long in these replies?
Nyx | A simple "yes" or "no" would suffice on that one. ;)
vog | What was that? Multiprocessor support?
Nyx | vog: yeah. It sorta breaks the entire MT model.
Nyx | Definitely breaks exec.
vog | Yes, exec would need to change for that. not impossible,
just needs some hardware support. If you have
vog | any kernel of "disabling" or "serializing" you can make it
work.
vog | But.
vog | The cost of mp is much too high for a low end box.
However, I would like to
vog | see it in a high end Amiga.
vog | If the OS has to be rewritten, might as well add that.
vog | GA
Nyx | Interesting. Seems like Forbid()/Permit()'s entire concept
is flawed for SMP.
JacobE | queue: mramiga, silvergls, mordo, sunrise, lostman, kosh,
antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix,
trapper
Nyx | But for a rewrite that could be fixed.
vog | Yes. But that is common in OS design.
Nyx | Thanks.
Nyx | vog: AS for reply length, maybe a bit shorter, or longer
lines. ;)
mramiga | Will we see a real attempt at marketing the COMPLETE LINE
OF AMIGA COMPUTER in the USA.. not some half hearted
attempt or no attempt at all. IE aggresive priceing,
mramiga | support for graphic cards and true 24 bit on the WB?..
and is the Amiga checkmark gonna be brought back? like
uh GA and stuff
vog | You need that little kernel of non-preemptino.
vog | Sometimes it is a processor instruction... or in the
Amiga's case, an accident in the chip design (bet you
didn't know that).
Nyx | Accident? Heh, I'd love to hear about it sometime. Not now
tho.
vog | Ok, mramiga..... let me read question....
Laire | vog: why do you think a consumer of such internet box would
accept a not real display of the web pages he want to
access....web pages in 256 colours is a bad joke
today(let's ignore the slowness of AA at the moment)....
Laire | If i would a consumer of such box i would demand that
documents are shown in the same quality they are produced
vog | Hold on Laire. Mramiga:
vog | I've had to think about how to answer this question,
mramiga.
vog | VIScorp is not a big company.
vog | If it succeeds in what is trying to achieve, it will likely
partner or merge with a larger company that will bring
money to the USA marketing.
vog | On the technical questions... yes, those are important.
RTG related.
vog | I don't know about the checkmark. There is a marketing
person at VIScorp.
vog | He will make that decision... with perhaps some of our
influence. ;)
mramiga | Well in my opinon and many others if you cant grab at
least a minor part of the US market then you shouldnt even
try. and just let the amiga die
vog | Markets don't happen that way.
vog | Take a look at anything.... CD, CDROM, PCs. They all grow.
vog | They start small and build. That's what will happen here,
if VIScorp can get a good partner.
vog | And, I should say that MANY big companies are interested in
us.
vog | GA
JacobE | queue: mordo, sunrise, lostman, kosh, antigrav, x-isle,
d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong
JacobE | mordo: you'
JacobE | mordo: your turn :)
Mordo | The Questinos Are: Will future Amigas be SVGA friendly and
not require an expensive and rare multiscan monitor (I hate
NTSC boot screens)? And will most of the hardware
accessories (disk drives, hard disk, etc) be standard pc
fair, no
vog | JacobE: didn't Laire have a question before this?
JacobE | vog: laire asked out of turn
vog | Oh... ok. Mordo:
vog | I'm all for bringing down the prices of hardware as they
relate to the Amiga.
vog | I think there are a couple ways to accomplish this. And
VIScorp is considering them.
-- | _Tachyon is now known as Tachyon_.
-- | AztecC_ is now known as AztecC.
-- | ushooz2 is now known as ushooz.
vog | I think the PPC has a lot of applicatons in a high end
Amiga as well.
vog | It would be good to see it with several processors, if the
memory configuraton can be made to work. (Keep in mind
that
vog | parallel processors don't buy you anything if they cannot
run at the same time. This is done by caching
vog | main memory or by interleaving it.
vog | Also: Don't forget Amdal's (sp?)rule of parallel
processing.
vog | GA
X-isle | what exactly is Anti Gravity Products?? I have a 1200
030/40
sunrise | what is amdahls rule?
vog | Sunrise: I'm not sure... my clock is broken ;)
sunrise | Vog: Grin :)
JacobE | queue: lostman, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*,
stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong
AztecC | hehe
vog | The rule is fundamental: if you've got two processors, the
largest gain will be
vog | 2 times. But most of the time, due to overhead, and serial
code/events, you get less that 2 times. So...
vog | if you consider the cost of the extra processor, it might
be better to invest in
vog | faster memory or better caches, as they might yield better
improvement in performance. Parallel
vog | processing is not new to me. It has been on of my favorite
hobbies/jobs since the early 80's. At Apple
vog | I was writing my OS for a 4 processor CPU that shared a
very large interleaved cache.
vog | It was as fast as a cray.
vog | GA
JacobE | queue: lostman, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*,
stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong
JacobE | lostman: your turn
Lostman | vog: What plans (if any) are there about users and user
group support. Will QuickPak be resposible for that? Will
they be doing the marketing *for now*? There is some
consern about VISCorp going up aginst the big boys
Lostman | Vog: lastly...
Lostman | I have a marketing buisness proposal to make to viscorp.
Who should I contact? I Assume that the aquisition of AT is
vog | No, actually the AT deal is still in the works... or I
vog | So far your questions have been good, general technical and
vog | but given you things to consider. With regard to QuickPak,
vog | There are a lot of sensitive issues on things like that,
and it is not my area of the company.
vog | With regard to general support, I am hoping to see that
happen over the net. As we discussed earlier tonight.
vog | As for the big boys....
-- | c958316 is now known as Archie.
vog | How often have you seen them succeed? Was Netscape a big
boy?
vog | History gives us hope. The big boys are always slow off
the block.
vog | GA
Lostman | thanx.
JacobE | queue: antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh,
moxnix, trapper, shenlong
JacobE | ok, antigrav has left the building
vog | Oh, ... on the business proposals: you can send them to
Bill Buck at VIScorp.
JacobE | queue: x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix,
trapper, shenlong
vog | Regular mail is probably best.
JacobE | so has x-isle :)
vog | GA
JacobE | vog: if you want to give the address/fax, go right ahead :)
JacobE | queue: d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper,
shenlong
JacobE | vog: i have about a 40 sec lag to you
vog | VIScorp, 111 North Canal Street, Suite 933, Chicago IL
60606 USA.
AztecC | www.vistv.com :)
JacobE | fair enough :)
JacobE | d_pilot: ok, your turn :)
-- | MELETH is now known as [_V^C^M_].
D_Pilot | I was going to ask about user group support, but lostman
beat me to it, unless you have anything to add to that. It
would be nice to see an improvemnt in usergroup relations.
GA
vog | Lostman: Bill is the best person to send them to. David
works on new markets.... so if that makes sense, send it to
him as well.
vog | GA
vog | Yes, user groups need a lot more support than what they
have been getting. It is a good way to leverage the effort
and distribution
vog | of information.
vog | GA
JacobE | queue: fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong
JacobE | fntc: your turn :)
Fntc | I'm still preparing my question, I'll go after U4ia.
vog | (JacobE: how do I kill the Join messages? AmIRC.)
JacobE | vog: i don't think you can in amirc
vog | Ah, a flaw.
vog | AztecC: how you holding up? Am I going to get fired?
JacobE | vog: myself, i just have server messages a dim color :)
AztecC | where's my notebook? join messages...
JacobE | ok, u4ia couldn't stay, but he wanted to ask...
JacobE | vog, u4ia wanted to know what improvements would be made to
the audio system on the amiga (he's a musician)
vog | AztecC: I expect they are being joined as we speak. I
expect to read them in the WSJ this morning.
AztecC | Heh, I'm on Texas now, 0 second lag to vog!
JacobE | ah he's back :)
U4ia-F8 | ta
U4ia-F8 | hi vog,
U4ia-F8 | As a 'musician' i am always interested in the sound aspects
of computers
U4ia-F8 | the amiga sound chip is way out of date now
vog | Good deal. BTW: AztecC is Jim Goodnow, author of Manx
Aztec C and many other Amiga programs, another VIScorp
software guru, and an old friend.
U4ia-F8 | what plans are there for upgrades? etc..
U4ia-F8 | ie. 8 bit don't cut it anymore.
vog | Ok, back to U4ia:
vog | Yes, Amiga audio has been out of date for too many years.
The original designer of the
vog | audio chip, Glen Keller, completely updated the audio
system about five years ago. he
vog | swung by the mountain and told me about his upgrades. Very
nice. But, they never were manufactured for reasons that
only Commodore can know.
U4ia-F8 | i heard it was only 2 channels of 16 bit though
U4ia-F8 | surely that is ridiculous is this day and age
vog | What can we do? Fix it! We have to... but it will take
time. (I had not heard that... two channels. I would
vog | find it easy to believe, however... keeping the DMA
channels as the are). But
vog | it does not matter much now. If the PPC happens, all of
this will be addressed.
vog | .
vog | GA
JacobE | vog: just as a side note, a few people have asked if the
plans for the upgraded audio exist anywhere :)
vog | (whoops.... who can tell that I'm an old unix emailer).
Fntc | Am I clear to go? :-)
JacobE | just a sec
vog | Probably in the archive held in Trenton.
U4ia-F8 | vog: sorry about this.
JacobE | u4ia would like to comment to the last comment :)
U4ia-F8 | basiccly all you just said was this
U4ia-F8 | "when the amiga turns into a PC, the sound will be sorted"
U4ia-F8 | ie. shove a soundcard in like everyother pc user
U4ia-F8 | so surely the Amiga is damned?
vog | No, stop. Stop.
U4ia-F8 | ok.
vog | PC sound cards are for the birds.
vog | But, there are a LOT of good chips out there that don't end
up on mainstream PC sound cards.
vog | I would guess that those might be worth consideration for
future machines.
vog | GQA
vog | GA
-- | sascman is now known as SASCMan.
JacobE | fntc: when you're ready :)
Fntc | OK
Fntc | Vog - Several questions.
Fntc | 1) It has become apparent that the current VISCorp
hierarchy intends to use AGA in their set-top box.
Unfortunately as we all know, AGA is rather sluggish,
especially when hi-res hi-color modes start sucking DMA
time. One possible solution
JacobE | (not too many :)
Fntc | itself, would be to clock the CHIP bus at a higher but
synchronous rate, giving more bandwidth over to the CPU,
while having custom PALs handles AGA's DMA
Fntc | itself, would be to clock the CHIP bus at a higher but
synchronous rate, giving more bandwidth over to the CPU,
while having custom PALs handle AGA's communication with
the CHIP bus. This would only break software that didn't
count on CHIP
Fntc | amount of time.
Fntc | 2) At the WOA show in London, the VISCorp representative
wasn't exactly inspiring. After reading transcripts of the
conference I find that the heckling wasn't entire
unwarranted. What the heck was going on there?
Fntc | 3) VISCorp has recently made rumblings about p-os. This
concerns me. While p-os has some similarities to AmigaOS
(as well as some compatibilty), it doesn't appear to be as
comprehensive as AmigaOS 3.1, let alone what AmigaOS should
be.
Fntc | AmigaOS in favor of p-os? While this might certainly make a
good set-top box, IMHO it would not be a step forward for
the Amiga.
Fntc | 4) Can we come visit the VISCorp offices in Chi-town? :-)
Fntc | GA
vog | Can you clock the CHIP bus faster without revising the
chips? Isn't there a slew time limit on the internal
driving transistors?
Nyx | You run into other issues with running higher clock rates,
like sync timing registers in ECS/AGA start to overflow.
Fntc | vog - I mean, SEPERATE the CHIP bus from AGA (sort of like
what was done with AAA)
Nyx | Spencer shanson spent a LOT of time fixing problems with
AGA on DoubleNTSC modes....it's a nightmare.
Fntc | vog - Not an actual bandwidth increase of AGA itself. Only
the CPU would get extra bandwidth.
Nyx | (just some sidebars from watching the gfx guys work on AGA
at C=)
-- | Nyx is now known as NyxEA.
vog | If it can be done with existing chips, I would like to hear
more about it. Please email me separately, soon, and we can
consider it.
vog | Ok, on to 2)
vog | I wasn't at WOA, but I did read about it. Bill is trying
to walk a careful line right now. Many things are up in
the air.
vog | I think he's just being extra careful, as this is a
critical time and we could lose a lot.
vog | Question 3):
vog | As far as I know, it would have to go through me first...
and I have heard zero about it.
vog | As you can guess, if we are going to hop to a different OS
implementation it
vog | would get major examination and a critical eye from me.
(Where does this info
vog | get started? Perhaps from the P-OS folks?)
JacobE | (i think that was rhetorical)
JacobE | but fntc wants to answer
Fntc | vog - From Viscorp's web page.
vog | 4) finally, sure. But you won't see much there. The rest
of us are hidden away....
AztecC | A truly distributed company :)
JacobE | queue: stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong
vog | *waiting for fntc...
Fntc | vog I'm through.
vog | Oh... what was that about our web page?
Fntc | vog - That's where the P-os rumour got started (the page
was casually mentioning P-OS)
vog | RanXeroX: Really.... what part of Xerox?
vog | Fntc: where???
Fntc | vog - I'll have to go check later. :-) Of course maybe the
whole thing is a figment of my diseased imagination (I
could've SWORN I saw it mentioned on vistv though)
vog | ranXeroX: good nick.
vog | Fntc: could be on a link.... but not intentional.
vog | GA
JacobE | queue: stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong
-- | sascman is now known as sighsalot.
JacobE | ok steve, you've waited this long :)
SteveKH | OK, thanks. And thanks for the conference. I'm not as
prolific as Fntc: I only have two questions.
SteveKH | 1) Is the STB design fully digital, or is it a
digital/analog hybrid?
SteveKH | 2) If the AT acquisition goes thorugh, will there be
another restructuring of the developer suport?
SteveKH | GA
vog | 1) I would expect there might be more than one STB....
depending on the application. We would like to see it be
extra flexible. But that is all I can say right now.
vog | 2) I am not that familiar with the current developer
support. I have not heard very much positive so far....
vog | If we can make it better, we certainly will. I would like
to see it all go on the net. You cold
SteveKH | I'm actually hoping for a restructuring of the developer
support.
vog | (could) download new libs, devs, docs, etc. Much like
other companies that support their developers (eg. Sun) via
the net.
-- | sighsalot is now known as SASCMan.
vog | I really think that the net is the best way to do this kind
of support. Having a group of people
SteveKH | Yes, I've been looking for a cheap way to get the
includes... So far I've been typing them in from the RKMs
(very slow going). GA
vog | sending out floppies or CDROMs is sort of a waste. Perhaps
major archive releases on CDROM a few times a year.
vog | GA
JacobE | queue: moxnix, trapper, shenlong
JacobE | ok, no moxnix :)
JacobE | trapper: go for it :)
Trapper | hi Carl & aztecC
Trapper | I have a two part question.. I'll paste pt1
vog | (Ran: sure thing.... me neither.)
Trapper | You have been quoted as saying you want to see a 'Killer'
Amiga... true?
vog | Trapper:
vog | Yes, I have said that.
vog | GA
Trapper | Will this mean you will see that the job is done thoroughly
before
Trapper | releasing it on the market? Even if it meant delaying the
release.
Trapper | Going on what facts you have so far,will the OS be
radically changed from
Trapper | what we have been used to,or just a quick port to RISC with
some added feat
Trapper | res?
Trapper | (no need for you to repeat what you have already stated,but
in a your own words)
Trapper | feat res = features
Trapper | GA
vog | Yes, as always, the job must be done thoroughly before
release. But, for the rest of the question,
vog | I cannot answer yet. But, it is best to take small, sure
steps. Perhaps
JacobE | oops, lost trapper there
vog | it would make the most sense to make the hop with as few
changes as possible, then expand into the new domain.
vog | That way, people get both the old system, and a newer
system... as a progression.
vog | GA
JacobE | ok
JacobE | last question :)
SASCMan | thank you
SASCMan | One statement, and two related questions.
vog | Ok, just one thing first: I want to let everyone know that
this is
JacobE | geez, sasc & aztec
vog | not the only IRC that we will hold.... there are plans for
a more formal IRC with VIScorp in the next couple weeks.
At that session I expect to have
vog | Bill Buck, Don Gilbreath and others from VIScorp to answer
your questions. I have
vog | already proposed this to Bill, and he is very open to the
idea. I hope we can find a good server in France to work
it through, so if you know of something, please tell me via
email.
SASCMan | Try innernet
vog | Again, this has been an informal, unplanned IRC. Much more
to follow.
vog | GA
SASCMan | Okay, my statement
vog | Go ahead SASCMan, but don't get too close to Jim (manx) or
something bad might happen.
SASCMan | I have noticed that VIScorp has been, for the most part,
unwilling to refer to the Amiga as anything more than a
'chipset' or 'technology'
SASCMan | that makes us shudder...
SASCMan | My questions: 1) Is VIScorp going to make set top boxes?
or 2) Is VIScorp going to make set top boxes and computers?
(please refer to the Amiga as a computer)
SASCMan | perhaps to 'upgrade' box owners to full blown Amiga's
SASCMan | GA
vog | That's just the suits way of talking... buzzwords. Don't
read anything into it. As for your questions:
vog | Ah, a trick question. This is multiple choice. (2) is the
plan. We MUST make both an STB and a Computer to survive.
SASCMan | (in hopes of selling them up to computers, I hope)
-- | sidey is now known as sidewinde.
vog | No, in hopes of expanding the Amiga into 10's of millions
of locations worldwide.
vog | I should point out to everyone on the channel....
SASCMan | good enuff... I'm somewhat relieved. My thanks.
vog | we want 2 things: 1) a high volume of Amigas, posing as
STBs and 2)
vog | good quality Amiga computers for a range of budgets.
SASCMan | CDTV
vog | DO NOT READ ANYTHING ELSE INTO OUR WORDS! IF THE DEAL
HAPPENS, THIS WILL COME TO PASS.
SASCMan | hmmm...
vog | SASCMan: CDTV?
vog | Ok, here are the emails: [email protected] (me, software)
SASCMan | CDTV was Commodore's STB, btw
vog | [email protected] (VP engineering) [email protected] (hardware)
vog | But, better yet visit our web site: www.vistv.com.
AztecC | Carl, any sign of carpal tunnel yet? :)
vog | SASCMan: Yes, CDTV was my work also.
JacobE | vog: one last thing, a few people want to know if there's
anything juicy you can tell us about amiga's upcoming
future
vog | AztecC.... yes, tired.
JacobE | (well, i'm sure more than a few want to know :)
vog | No, all I can say, is it is going to be a surprise. :)
AztecC | ... you gotta wear shades!
SASCMan | a good surprise, I hope
JacobE | hehe
CTCP | PING reply from Cryzz: 51 seconds
vog | Good night, and good morning all. Thanks for the ride.
Was a fun first moderated session for me and gives me an
idea what
JacobE | vog: thanks for the conference, i know all of us here
really appreciated it
vog | to expect in france in a few weeks. Later, 73s Carl.
JacobE | aztecc: you too :)
vog | Thanks Jacob for all the help.
JacobE | ok, going to unmoderated status
vog | nite all.
Fntc | Thanks for being here vog!
SASCMan | nite
Achilles | g'night...
sanjiyan | byebye!
Fntc | Gnite!
YRU | thanks
paulaM | thanx vog... i love my amiga :)
RanXeroX | nite
RMerlin | G'night, and thanks a lot vog!
* | Zzzzz cheers!
SteveKH | nite
RanXeroX | Buh Bye
Eetu- | Ungagged at last ! ;)
Greebo | thanks vog, g'night.
commish | thanks
Cowboy | g'nite vog! THANKS!
* | JosefGV notes the "73s" and wonders if vog is a ham radio
operator :)
SASCMan | vog, read my E-Mail's ;)
Trapper | Well done lads ;-)
Vacu | Se ya.
Optic | die
Mordo | Thanks Carl & Jim
| vog, thanks for the conference & bye!
paulaM | thanx :)
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